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Maybe this tactic will help me get my youtube account back. Any Googlers interested in a 45 year old graying software developer with a dad bod? But seriously,

by S_A_P 4y ago

Maybe this tactic will help me get my youtube account back. Any Googlers interested in a 45 year old graying software developer with a dad bod? But seriously, I wrote a post about my youtube account getting banned and without telling me what caused it just shut down my request for review. Sounds like in all of these companies you can either have a false positive AI flag you, someone decide they dont like you online and report you for something that isnt necessarily true/the case, and then you have some tech workers who either dont care enough to really fix problems or enjoying their fiefdoms and the power they wield at strangers.

panda88888 4y ago
I remember reading on hn that even googlers have trouble recovering their own old accounts…
judge2020 4y ago
YouTube loses more money paying someone to review your case than what they stand to make if you come back. Their insurance policy for this is the guarantee that any actually large creator getting banned will generate enough PR buzz for a fully-fledged Googler to be notified and raise an internal issue about it.
- wincy 4y ago
  Oh yeah, I remember Jordan Peterson got banned, then suddenly Joe Rogan was making a fuss on Twitter about it. Next day, boom everything back to normal.
- eloff 4y ago
  I would pay to have a human review my case and actually do something about it. When my wife lost access to her Instagram through a 2FA cockup, I paid over $100 and about $500 of my time to get the original phone number back through a friend. It was all for naught in the end. I used to defend Google around here back in the day when they were just ambiguously evil. Now I really hate Google and Meta. They both do these kinds of things with accounts, with apps, with "fact" policing, etc. I hope the government fucks them up.
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the_only_law 4y ago
> Any Googlers interested in a 45 year old graying software developer with a dad bod? Given what I’ve seen on dating apps, you’re prime material.
- nvahalik 4y ago
  Yes, but is he > 6'?
dessant 4y ago
They need to be taken to court, and this practice has to be made illegal. A service should have a valid reason for banning someone, otherwise we will end up with a group of people that are perpetually discriminated and punished by AI for no reason. Blocking your Facebook account can lead to losing access to support groups and local marketplaces that may be important to people in need, and it is absolutely disgusting that they are allowed to kick people out for no reason.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > They need to be taken to court, and this practice has to be made illegal. Don't you have that backwards?
  - dessant 4y ago
    I see you have your priorities sorted out. It has to be made illegal in the sense that its illegality should be recognized by a court, because it is plain discrimination.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      > It has to be made illegal in the sense that its illegality should be recognized by a court, because it is plain discrimination. In the US, at least, “plain discrimination” by private parties is generally legal, but for regulated utilities (which Facebook is not) and fairly narrow sets of specifically prohibited bases of discrimination by public accommodations. If you want a general rule applying something like the rational basis test used as the minimum standard applicable to public discrimination to private commercial discrimination, that's a fairly radical change to the law.
      - heavenlyblue 4y ago
        But Facebook is a de facto utility.
        4y ago
TylerLives 4y ago
Same thing happened to me on my last HN comment (you probably can't see it, it's "dead"). As far as I can tell, I didn't break any rules or say anything controversial. Who do I have to sleep with to get this sorted out? Edit: It's fixed now.
- deleted 4y ago
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- _gabe_ 4y ago
  Who'd you sleep with? /s
BonoboIO 4y ago
Maybe we can organize some group activities.
TheFreim 4y ago
I've also had a ban which I can find no way to appeal, I've given up hope at this point. I got banned after submitting a claim for content of mine hosted on a channel I can't access anymore, automated system banned me. Maybe one day I'll meet a googler who has some free time.
1024core 4y ago
Where's your blog post?
Justsignedup 4y ago
basically their policies are so rediculously subjective, that the mood of the reviewer is enough to shut down an entire "business" venture. I think that's the big problem here. Typically with a store, if you're causing harm, the community can petition for you to lose your license. And all that comes with legal protections for due process. On youtube or instagram, your entire business which you invested time/money/body into, is entirely hanging by the thread of some employee having a decent day or finding you attractive.
- onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
  > basically their policies are so rediculously subjective, that the mood of the reviewer is enough to shut down an entire "business" venture. I think that's the big problem here. There's a near-infinite pool of people willing to sink absurd amounts of time and money and other resources into these social networks. Pretty much everywhere is aware of the risks. It seems to be a risk many are more than willing to take.
  - heavenlyblue 4y ago
    > It seems to be a risk many are more than willing to take. It’s a risk they take because there’s no other choice.
    - onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
      No one is forcing people to start Social Media businesses.
      - Justsignedup 4y ago
        They sell the dream, and the dream is you can be an influencer. Their mind is reinforced with it, and they are encouraged to try at every single step. So nobody is forcing, but they certainly are luring.

by S_A_P 4y ago

panda88888 4y ago

I remember reading on hn that even googlers have trouble recovering their own old accounts…

judge2020 4y ago

YouTube loses more money paying someone to review your case than what they stand to make if you come back. Their insurance policy for this is the guarantee that any actually large creator getting banned will generate enough PR buzz for a fully-fledged Googler to be notified and raise an internal issue about it.

wincy 4y ago
Oh yeah, I remember Jordan Peterson got banned, then suddenly Joe Rogan was making a fuss on Twitter about it. Next day, boom everything back to normal.
eloff 4y ago
I would pay to have a human review my case and actually do something about it. When my wife lost access to her Instagram through a 2FA cockup, I paid over $100 and about $500 of my time to get the original phone number back through a friend. It was all for naught in the end. I used to defend Google around here back in the day when they were just ambiguously evil. Now I really hate Google and Meta. They both do these kinds of things with accounts, with apps, with "fact" policing, etc. I hope the government fucks them up.

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the_only_law 4y ago

> Any Googlers interested in a 45 year old graying software developer with a dad bod? Given what I’ve seen on dating apps, you’re prime material.

nvahalik 4y ago
Yes, but is he > 6'?

dessant 4y ago

They need to be taken to court, and this practice has to be made illegal. A service should have a valid reason for banning someone, otherwise we will end up with a group of people that are perpetually discriminated and punished by AI for no reason. Blocking your Facebook account can lead to losing access to support groups and local marketplaces that may be important to people in need, and it is absolutely disgusting that they are allowed to kick people out for no reason.

dragonwriter 4y ago
> They need to be taken to court, and this practice has to be made illegal. Don't you have that backwards?
- dessant 4y ago
  I see you have your priorities sorted out. It has to be made illegal in the sense that its illegality should be recognized by a court, because it is plain discrimination.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > It has to be made illegal in the sense that its illegality should be recognized by a court, because it is plain discrimination. In the US, at least, “plain discrimination” by private parties is generally legal, but for regulated utilities (which Facebook is not) and fairly narrow sets of specifically prohibited bases of discrimination by public accommodations. If you want a general rule applying something like the rational basis test used as the minimum standard applicable to public discrimination to private commercial discrimination, that's a fairly radical change to the law.
    - heavenlyblue 4y ago
      But Facebook is a de facto utility.
      - 4y ago

TylerLives 4y ago

Same thing happened to me on my last HN comment (you probably can't see it, it's "dead"). As far as I can tell, I didn't break any rules or say anything controversial. Who do I have to sleep with to get this sorted out? Edit: It's fixed now.

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_gabe_ 4y ago
Who'd you sleep with? /s

BonoboIO 4y ago

Maybe we can organize some group activities.

TheFreim 4y ago

I've also had a ban which I can find no way to appeal, I've given up hope at this point. I got banned after submitting a claim for content of mine hosted on a channel I can't access anymore, automated system banned me. Maybe one day I'll meet a googler who has some free time.

1024core 4y ago

Where's your blog post?

Justsignedup 4y ago

basically their policies are so rediculously subjective, that the mood of the reviewer is enough to shut down an entire "business" venture. I think that's the big problem here. Typically with a store, if you're causing harm, the community can petition for you to lose your license. And all that comes with legal protections for due process. On youtube or instagram, your entire business which you invested time/money/body into, is entirely hanging by the thread of some employee having a decent day or finding you attractive.

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
> basically their policies are so rediculously subjective, that the mood of the reviewer is enough to shut down an entire "business" venture. I think that's the big problem here. There's a near-infinite pool of people willing to sink absurd amounts of time and money and other resources into these social networks. Pretty much everywhere is aware of the risks. It seems to be a risk many are more than willing to take.
- heavenlyblue 4y ago
  > It seems to be a risk many are more than willing to take. It’s a risk they take because there’s no other choice.
  - onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
    No one is forcing people to start Social Media businesses.
    - Justsignedup 4y ago
      They sell the dream, and the dream is you can be an influencer. Their mind is reinforced with it, and they are encouraged to try at every single step. So nobody is forcing, but they certainly are luring.