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you don't need to legalize prostitution in order to make sexual extortion illegal.

by zzzeek 4y ago

sp332 4y ago
Yes you do, because otherwise the sex worker reporting the extortion to the police will also be admitting to a crime. So it won't happen.
- throw_m239339 4y ago
  > Yes you do, because otherwise the sex worker reporting the extortion to the police will also be admitting to a crime. So it won't happen. No you don't, you just need to make buying sex and pimping illegal, you can do that without punishing the victims, what you call "sex workers" is a euphemism for sex trafficked women.
  - verve_rat 4y ago
    Not it is not. Plenty of people engage in sex work without being coerced or trafficked.
    - throw_m239339 4y ago
      The overwhelming majority of prostitutes are sex trafficked women and children who were never given the choice. Legalizing prostitution leads to more trafficking. https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalized-prostitution-safer/legalizing-prostitution-leads-to-more-trafficking https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalize...
      - JamesBarney 4y ago
        That doesn't say anything about what percentage of sex workers were sex trafficked. The only stat it gives are what percentage of sex workers were sexually abused prior to entry. The best estimate I've seen for percentage of active sex workers that are currently being trafficked was between 3 and 4 %. https://aella.substack.com/p/what-percentage-of-sex-workers-in?s=r https://aella.substack.com/p/what-percentage-of-sex-workers-...
      - rajup 4y ago
        Wrong.
  - warent 4y ago
    > what you call "sex workers" is a euphemism for sex trafficked women. How involved are you in combatting sex trafficking? I've been involved in this to varying degrees for a few years now, and this is would be new information to me. Sex trafficking and sex work is a Venn diagram with overlap, certainly, but they are definitely not the same. Many women do sex work as an independent decision, choosing it over other choices that they are presented with, and they find fulfillment in it. Trafficked people are, at best, highly vulnerable individuals who feel they don't have any alternatives and are brainwashed by people close to them. More often than that, they are simply abducted and traded as property. Sex trafficking is a recognized form of slavery. Very different from independent sex workers. EDIT: The reason it's important to get this distinction right is because misinformation around it dilutes the seriousness of actual human trafficking. There are people in slavery who need intervention from police and governments. Not middle-class women in Orange County who do private sessions in the basement of the home they own.
    - throw_m239339 4y ago
      - warent 4y ago
        This account is tied to my real identity. I'm not afraid of trying to openly discuss the nuances of these very complicated and painful topics because together through rational discourse we can make the world a better place. From an anonymous "throwaway" account, you completely disregard what I'm saying, you trivialize my passion in this topic, and you go so far as directly accusing me of normalizing sex trafficking. This discussion is over.
        throw_m239339 4y ago
      - mbg721 4y ago
        I think it's worth making the distinction between highly coerced women and children vs. "let's get our kink on" women who make a buck on the side.
- waffleiron 4y ago
  Not that these work perfectly, but immunity provisions for calling 911 in case of an overdose exist. https://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/drug-overdose-immunity-good-samaritan-laws.aspx https://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/dru...
- make3 4y ago
  I'm not sure I see how being asked for sex would be a crime... I'm all for decriminalization though
_jal 4y ago
True. And in fact, extortion already is illegal. But if you want to actually address the problem, you do need to decriminalize prostitution.

you don't need to legalize prostitution in order to make sexual extortion illegal.

by zzzeek 4y ago

you don't need to legalize prostitution in order to make sexual extortion illegal.

Yes you do, because otherwise the sex worker reporting the extortion to the police will also be admitting to a crime. So it won't happen.

throw_m239339 4y ago
> Yes you do, because otherwise the sex worker reporting the extortion to the police will also be admitting to a crime. So it won't happen. No you don't, you just need to make buying sex and pimping illegal, you can do that without punishing the victims, what you call "sex workers" is a euphemism for sex trafficked women.
- verve_rat 4y ago
  Not it is not. Plenty of people engage in sex work without being coerced or trafficked.
  - throw_m239339 4y ago
    The overwhelming majority of prostitutes are sex trafficked women and children who were never given the choice. Legalizing prostitution leads to more trafficking. https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalized-prostitution-safer/legalizing-prostitution-leads-to-more-trafficking https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalize...
    - JamesBarney 4y ago
      That doesn't say anything about what percentage of sex workers were sex trafficked. The only stat it gives are what percentage of sex workers were sexually abused prior to entry. The best estimate I've seen for percentage of active sex workers that are currently being trafficked was between 3 and 4 %. https://aella.substack.com/p/what-percentage-of-sex-workers-in?s=r https://aella.substack.com/p/what-percentage-of-sex-workers-...
    - rajup 4y ago
      Wrong.
- warent 4y ago
  > what you call "sex workers" is a euphemism for sex trafficked women. How involved are you in combatting sex trafficking? I've been involved in this to varying degrees for a few years now, and this is would be new information to me. Sex trafficking and sex work is a Venn diagram with overlap, certainly, but they are definitely not the same. Many women do sex work as an independent decision, choosing it over other choices that they are presented with, and they find fulfillment in it. Trafficked people are, at best, highly vulnerable individuals who feel they don't have any alternatives and are brainwashed by people close to them. More often than that, they are simply abducted and traded as property. Sex trafficking is a recognized form of slavery. Very different from independent sex workers. EDIT: The reason it's important to get this distinction right is because misinformation around it dilutes the seriousness of actual human trafficking. There are people in slavery who need intervention from police and governments. Not middle-class women in Orange County who do private sessions in the basement of the home they own.
  - throw_m239339 4y ago
    - warent 4y ago
      This account is tied to my real identity. I'm not afraid of trying to openly discuss the nuances of these very complicated and painful topics because together through rational discourse we can make the world a better place. From an anonymous "throwaway" account, you completely disregard what I'm saying, you trivialize my passion in this topic, and you go so far as directly accusing me of normalizing sex trafficking. This discussion is over.
      - throw_m239339 4y ago
    - mbg721 4y ago
      I think it's worth making the distinction between highly coerced women and children vs. "let's get our kink on" women who make a buck on the side.
waffleiron 4y ago
Not that these work perfectly, but immunity provisions for calling 911 in case of an overdose exist. https://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/drug-overdose-immunity-good-samaritan-laws.aspx https://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/dru...
make3 4y ago
I'm not sure I see how being asked for sex would be a crime... I'm all for decriminalization though

_jal 4y ago

True. And in fact, extortion already is illegal. But if you want to actually address the problem, you do need to decriminalize prostitution.