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> I'd say it's gross negligence to drive that fast at all on any surface street Agreed, but Riad set that speed when he was driving on a freeway, and Autopilot

> I'd say it's gross negligence to drive that fast at all on any surface street Agreed, but Riad set that speed when he was driving on a freeway, and Autopilot failed to slow down when the freeway became a surface street. I think Riad was negligent for not maintaining control of the car (Tesla even warns drivers to "pay extra attention to the road" when using Autopilot or FSD), but I wonder if Tesla has any liability for marketing Autopilot and FSD capabilities that don't always work.

parkingrift 4y ago
This was autopilot, which is essentially just advanced cruise control. Full self driving is a completely separate product from Tesla.
- Hamuko 4y ago
  But advanced cruise controls do slow down if the speed changes. https://youtu.be/LEqM2FqUIa8?t=204 https://youtu.be/LEqM2FqUIa8?t=204 Surely the speed limit would change if there's a light-controlled intersection?
  - parkingrift 4y ago
    Mercedes has it, but most don’t. My CRV has the equivalent to autopilot and maybe would have applied emergency breaking just before impact. Not sure honestly. These advanced cruise control features are not self driving at all. Mine won’t even stay in the lane if I take my hand off the wheel.
    - leereeves 4y ago
      Honda doesn't suggest the CRV is self driving. Tesla marketing encourages the idea that the car can drive itself, in fact it literally will with the Smart Summon feature. That's misleading, so it's not surprising if some people are misled.
      - parkingrift 4y ago
        Again, this is not what Tesla calls “full self driving.” No one driving a Tesla would ever be confused about this. The car will flip out if you take your hands off the wheel. Every manufacture has some silly name for advanced cruise control. It’s called marketing.
        leereeves 4y ago
        > No one driving a Tesla would ever be confused about this. Plainly false. Consider this guy, who was seen sleeping at the wheel three times, relying on the car to drive itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgnzK07cQkY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgnzK07cQkY
- jacquesm 4y ago
  "Full self driving is a completely separate product from Tesla." The thing that Tesla has named 'full self driving', but which it isn't is a completely separate product from Tesla.

parkingrift 4y ago

This was autopilot, which is essentially just advanced cruise control. Full self driving is a completely separate product from Tesla.

Hamuko 4y ago
But advanced cruise controls do slow down if the speed changes. https://youtu.be/LEqM2FqUIa8?t=204 https://youtu.be/LEqM2FqUIa8?t=204 Surely the speed limit would change if there's a light-controlled intersection?
- parkingrift 4y ago
  Mercedes has it, but most don’t. My CRV has the equivalent to autopilot and maybe would have applied emergency breaking just before impact. Not sure honestly. These advanced cruise control features are not self driving at all. Mine won’t even stay in the lane if I take my hand off the wheel.
  - leereeves 4y ago
    Honda doesn't suggest the CRV is self driving. Tesla marketing encourages the idea that the car can drive itself, in fact it literally will with the Smart Summon feature. That's misleading, so it's not surprising if some people are misled.
    - parkingrift 4y ago
      Again, this is not what Tesla calls “full self driving.” No one driving a Tesla would ever be confused about this. The car will flip out if you take your hands off the wheel. Every manufacture has some silly name for advanced cruise control. It’s called marketing.
      - leereeves 4y ago
        > No one driving a Tesla would ever be confused about this. Plainly false. Consider this guy, who was seen sleeping at the wheel three times, relying on the car to drive itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgnzK07cQkY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgnzK07cQkY
jacquesm 4y ago
"Full self driving is a completely separate product from Tesla." The thing that Tesla has named 'full self driving', but which it isn't is a completely separate product from Tesla.