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Can you also defend the "Full Self Driving" naming is also super clear and it also implies that means something like "driving assist", not an english speaker so

Can you also defend the "Full Self Driving" naming is also super clear and it also implies that means something like "driving assist", not an english speaker so maybe "full" means incomplete in some american dialect , and "Self-driving" means "lane asist" in the same dialect.

sokoloff 4y ago
It's a little weird to be defending Tesla's position here, because I think that Elon does overstate the capabilities of <whatever he's working on> and often to a needless and unhelpful degree. (It's like someone batting 0.409 and hitting 75 home runs per year claiming they're batting 0.600 and hitting 100 home runs. What he does is undeniably impressive and then he feels compelled to exaggerate it.) That said, the selling of FSD has, to my knowledge, always been positioned as the selling of hardware that is expected to be capable in the future of FSD. Sometimes you have to read all of the words in a paragraph to get that meaning, but that is the clear reading I get from that same autopilot page: Full Self-Driving All new Tesla cars have the hardware needed in the future for full self-driving in almost all circumstances. The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat. The future use of these features without supervision is dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving capabilities are introduced, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates.
- simion314 4y ago
  As others mention this disclaimers is not what is or was advertised, Elon fanboys always say "Ignore what Elon said, just read the latest Terms of Serive". By the same logic an Hello World Python script has the capability for general AI, i just need to wait enough years then add later add the missing part that accidental is the essential thing. Nobody disputes the terms of service language, but the advertising language, the intentional misleading names and stats greedy companies use. We are sure lawyers checked those terms of service very well and worked fine for US, seems German judges are not tricked by this trickery though, would be nice if more countries punish missleading advertising. I imagining new Elon product "Clean Drinking Water" and ads showing people drinking it, BUT with small text that mentions that the "safe for drinking will happen in 10 years after we fix our shit" and fanboys defending the naming because you should already know that Elon is always doing this and you should read ignore the advertising and go to the legal documents about the product to figureut all the real details.

sokoloff 4y ago

It's a little weird to be defending Tesla's position here, because I think that Elon does overstate the capabilities of <whatever he's working on> and often to a needless and unhelpful degree. (It's like someone batting 0.409 and hitting 75 home runs per year claiming they're batting 0.600 and hitting 100 home runs. What he does is undeniably impressive and then he feels compelled to exaggerate it.) That said, the selling of FSD has, to my knowledge, always been positioned as the selling of hardware that is expected to be capable in the future of FSD. Sometimes you have to read all of the words in a paragraph to get that meaning, but that is the clear reading I get from that same autopilot page: Full Self-Driving All new Tesla cars have the hardware needed in the future for full self-driving in almost all circumstances. The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat. The future use of these features without supervision is dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving capabilities are introduced, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates.

simion314 4y ago
As others mention this disclaimers is not what is or was advertised, Elon fanboys always say "Ignore what Elon said, just read the latest Terms of Serive". By the same logic an Hello World Python script has the capability for general AI, i just need to wait enough years then add later add the missing part that accidental is the essential thing. Nobody disputes the terms of service language, but the advertising language, the intentional misleading names and stats greedy companies use. We are sure lawyers checked those terms of service very well and worked fine for US, seems German judges are not tricked by this trickery though, would be nice if more countries punish missleading advertising. I imagining new Elon product "Clean Drinking Water" and ads showing people drinking it, BUT with small text that mentions that the "safe for drinking will happen in 10 years after we fix our shit" and fanboys defending the naming because you should already know that Elon is always doing this and you should read ignore the advertising and go to the legal documents about the product to figureut all the real details.