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The time and degree of training that is needed to operate a plane is vastly different than the level of training needed to operate a car.

by xattt 4y ago

dylan604 4y ago
Should it be though? Obviously Joey Beercan and his soccermom wife with 4.5 kids are not ever going to do a pilot's level pre-flight walk around inspection of the s/aircraft/Chevy Tahoe/ to check that the tires are inflated and have proper tread. Nor would they ever spend the time to look at the indicator lights to ensure the equipment is operating correctly. No amount of tapping on the Check Engine light will ever make that indicator change value. However, we've made getting licensed to operate a vehicle way too easy. We should also make drivers get training on equipment type so switching from a mid-sized sedan to a gianormous SUV requires more than just being handed new keys.
- xattt 4y ago
  I don’t think vehicle licensing should be easy, and should fairly strict as I understand it to be in Germany. The extent of training increases the investment a person has around the regulated activity. The person is more likely to abide by the rules because (a) they have a deeper knowledge, and (b) they don’t want to lose the privilege of being able to carry it out. Increasing the strictness of license requirements could be a small nudge towards decarbonization to slow the growth of personal vehicles on the road.
  - dylan604 4y ago
    >Increasing the strictness of license requirements... Sadly, I'd have to disagree. I think all this would do would be to increase the number of drivers operating illegally. Increase the friction, and people will just find a way to avoid it all together. The only real way to stop it would to have mandatory checkpoints. The push back from the masses for any kind of change like this would be enormous that you'd be asking Roe v Who? in comparison.
    - ghaff 4y ago
      Should everyone just have to take a high-end defensive driving course? Sure. Why not? I can afford it. You can't? What a pity. But honestly I think demands to make a driver's license harder to get largely miss the point. From my own experience, time on the road makes far more difference than training or harder tests. As does, general maturity and attitude which isn't going to be taught by a class.
      - dylan604 4y ago
        >Should everyone just have to take a high-end defensive driving course? Sure. Why not? I can afford it. You can't? What a pity. What does this have to do with anything? Advocating that people that can't afford to take training shouldn't be restricted from getting licensed? With that logic, let's all become pilots for free too! >time on the road The rest of this I can almost agree with, but you're glossing over that bad habits become entreanched. Distracted driving from today's smartphone use to the classic putting on makeup while driving, constant changing of the radio/spotify/etc, or just shoving fries/chips down your gullet while driving is never going away no matter how many years you've drive. In fact, the longer one goes with out having a wreck with these bad habits, the more one is emboldened that they are safe. It's not just teenagers with low hours behind the wheel that do any of the things listed above.
        ghaff 4y ago
        I'm not sure what training regime gets people to not do those things however. I assume US driver ed courses still include obligatory horrific videos of crashes resulting from people doing stupid things.
        dylan604 4y ago
        Like most training, I think the biggest thing is the learning before the official training that is avaialable. Mainly, I'm talking about a kid learning from watching their parent's behavior behind the wheel. If kiddo sees the Parental Training Unit(TM) doing stupid things behind the wheel, then kiddo will assume that's okay to do. Then when being told that's not the correct thing to be doing in official training courses, kiddo=>teenager now rolls their eyes to the back of their head as the teacher is just out of touch. So, you must be the change you wish to see in the world. So in today's view, we're all screwed!!

The time and degree of training that is needed to operate a plane is vastly different than the level of training needed to operate a car.

by xattt 4y ago

The time and degree of training that is needed to operate a plane is vastly different than the level of training needed to operate a car.

dylan604 4y ago

Should it be though? Obviously Joey Beercan and his soccermom wife with 4.5 kids are not ever going to do a pilot's level pre-flight walk around inspection of the s/aircraft/Chevy Tahoe/ to check that the tires are inflated and have proper tread. Nor would they ever spend the time to look at the indicator lights to ensure the equipment is operating correctly. No amount of tapping on the Check Engine light will ever make that indicator change value. However, we've made getting licensed to operate a vehicle way too easy. We should also make drivers get training on equipment type so switching from a mid-sized sedan to a gianormous SUV requires more than just being handed new keys.

xattt 4y ago
I don’t think vehicle licensing should be easy, and should fairly strict as I understand it to be in Germany. The extent of training increases the investment a person has around the regulated activity. The person is more likely to abide by the rules because (a) they have a deeper knowledge, and (b) they don’t want to lose the privilege of being able to carry it out. Increasing the strictness of license requirements could be a small nudge towards decarbonization to slow the growth of personal vehicles on the road.
- dylan604 4y ago
  >Increasing the strictness of license requirements... Sadly, I'd have to disagree. I think all this would do would be to increase the number of drivers operating illegally. Increase the friction, and people will just find a way to avoid it all together. The only real way to stop it would to have mandatory checkpoints. The push back from the masses for any kind of change like this would be enormous that you'd be asking Roe v Who? in comparison.
  - ghaff 4y ago
    Should everyone just have to take a high-end defensive driving course? Sure. Why not? I can afford it. You can't? What a pity. But honestly I think demands to make a driver's license harder to get largely miss the point. From my own experience, time on the road makes far more difference than training or harder tests. As does, general maturity and attitude which isn't going to be taught by a class.
    - dylan604 4y ago
      >Should everyone just have to take a high-end defensive driving course? Sure. Why not? I can afford it. You can't? What a pity. What does this have to do with anything? Advocating that people that can't afford to take training shouldn't be restricted from getting licensed? With that logic, let's all become pilots for free too! >time on the road The rest of this I can almost agree with, but you're glossing over that bad habits become entreanched. Distracted driving from today's smartphone use to the classic putting on makeup while driving, constant changing of the radio/spotify/etc, or just shoving fries/chips down your gullet while driving is never going away no matter how many years you've drive. In fact, the longer one goes with out having a wreck with these bad habits, the more one is emboldened that they are safe. It's not just teenagers with low hours behind the wheel that do any of the things listed above.
      - ghaff 4y ago
        I'm not sure what training regime gets people to not do those things however. I assume US driver ed courses still include obligatory horrific videos of crashes resulting from people doing stupid things.
        dylan604 4y ago
        Like most training, I think the biggest thing is the learning before the official training that is avaialable. Mainly, I'm talking about a kid learning from watching their parent's behavior behind the wheel. If kiddo sees the Parental Training Unit(TM) doing stupid things behind the wheel, then kiddo will assume that's okay to do. Then when being told that's not the correct thing to be doing in official training courses, kiddo=>teenager now rolls their eyes to the back of their head as the teacher is just out of touch. So, you must be the change you wish to see in the world. So in today's view, we're all screwed!!