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I don't think autopilot circa 2019 would detect and react to traffic lights? The case seems pretty clear cut anyway, the guy had cruise control on and wasn't p

I don't think autopilot circa 2019 would detect and react to traffic lights? The case seems pretty clear cut anyway, the guy had cruise control on and wasn't paying attention to traffic lights. We'll see if he turns around and sues Tesla, pleading ignorance about what "autopilot" could do.

nikanj 4y ago
In 2019 we were still 2-3 years away from a fully self-driving Tesla. In 2022 we are still 2-3 years away from it.
- BurningFrog 4y ago
  It will be like that for a while, until, one day, we realize we've had fully self-driving Teslas for 2-3 years.
  - AlexandrB 4y ago
    More like: "we've had self-driving Waymos for years". Tesla might still be 2-3 years away at that point.
- ntoskrnl 4y ago
  In 2022, we are less than a year away from full self driving: https://youtu.be/VfyrQVhfGZc?t=3109 https://youtu.be/VfyrQVhfGZc?t=3109 Just like we were in 2014: https://www.theverge.com/2014/10/2/6894875/elon-musk-says-next-years-tesla-cars-will-be-able-to-self-drive-90-percent-of-the-time https://www.theverge.com/2014/10/2/6894875/elon-musk-says-ne...
  - judge2020 4y ago
    > Just like we were in 2014 > . A Tesla car next year will probably be 90 percent capable of autopilot. Like, so 90 percent of your miles can be on auto. For sure highway travel. I don't see a reference to "full self-driving" and certainly not something that'd stop for stoplights and properly handle traffic signals.
    - pclmulqdq 4y ago
      By that definition, my Toyota is 90% capable of autopilot.
      - judge2020 4y ago
        Well ya, and so is Tesla. They/he only started making false claims around 2018 when the promises started to be about the actual FSD software that needs to make turns and handle the rules of the road: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30856771 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30856771
        dangrossman 4y ago
        Earlier than that. It was October 2016 when Elon Musk promised that a Tesla vehicle would be able to drive from LA to Times Square without any driver input, including charging, by the end of 2017.
RektBoy 4y ago
ajross 4y ago
It would not. Traffic light detection arrived (for cars with the FSD package, it's not clear if this had it) in 2020. Autopilot on the car in question was limited to lanekeeping and collision avoidance with the vehicle in front.
- soheil 4y ago
  How is it not clear? FSD and Autopilot are two very distinct things, please look it up.
  - ff317 4y ago
    It's actually quite complex to unpack. In the past, you could order the cars with or without FSD hardware (on promises of future capability). These days (~2020+? I'm not sure the cutoff), you can order them without or without an FSD hardware enablement/cost, but they all have FSD hardware inside them, and the cost is just about turning it on or not, and you can always later opt to pay the cost or a subscription to enable it. For cars that do have FSD hardware both installed + enabled (paid-for): if you're part of a smaller select group of opt-in, approved testers (currently ~100K drivers in the US plus a smaller number in Canada), you can enable "FSD Beta", which is a whole different animal than Autopilot and not really relevant to the discussion. However, when you're using regular Autopilot, the capabilities of Autopilot are different for cars which have installed+enabled FSD hardware, and those which do not (either because you have the hardware but didn't pay the enabling cost, or because your car is old enough that some of them didn't come with the hardware at all if you didn't pay the cost up front or pay to have it retrofitted). Non-FSD-capability cars, for example, can't detect stoplights on Autopilot at present, while FSD-enabled cars running Autopilot can. There are probably some other differentiators like that as well. Basically, Autopilot-on-FSD-capable-cars is slowly getting minor Autopilot feature upgrades that are only possible with that hardware while they're waiting for the "real" FSD to arrive. Autopilot-on-non-FSD-capable-cars doesn't get these upgrades and is stuck with a more-limited functionality.
    - soheil 4y ago
      Why are you trying to conflate the two? Autopilot != FSD

nikanj 4y ago

In 2019 we were still 2-3 years away from a fully self-driving Tesla. In 2022 we are still 2-3 years away from it.

BurningFrog 4y ago
It will be like that for a while, until, one day, we realize we've had fully self-driving Teslas for 2-3 years.
- AlexandrB 4y ago
  More like: "we've had self-driving Waymos for years". Tesla might still be 2-3 years away at that point.
ntoskrnl 4y ago
In 2022, we are less than a year away from full self driving: https://youtu.be/VfyrQVhfGZc?t=3109 https://youtu.be/VfyrQVhfGZc?t=3109 Just like we were in 2014: https://www.theverge.com/2014/10/2/6894875/elon-musk-says-next-years-tesla-cars-will-be-able-to-self-drive-90-percent-of-the-time https://www.theverge.com/2014/10/2/6894875/elon-musk-says-ne...
- judge2020 4y ago
  > Just like we were in 2014 > . A Tesla car next year will probably be 90 percent capable of autopilot. Like, so 90 percent of your miles can be on auto. For sure highway travel. I don't see a reference to "full self-driving" and certainly not something that'd stop for stoplights and properly handle traffic signals.
  - pclmulqdq 4y ago
    By that definition, my Toyota is 90% capable of autopilot.
    - judge2020 4y ago
      Well ya, and so is Tesla. They/he only started making false claims around 2018 when the promises started to be about the actual FSD software that needs to make turns and handle the rules of the road: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30856771 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30856771
      - dangrossman 4y ago
        Earlier than that. It was October 2016 when Elon Musk promised that a Tesla vehicle would be able to drive from LA to Times Square without any driver input, including charging, by the end of 2017.

RektBoy 4y ago

ajross 4y ago

It would not. Traffic light detection arrived (for cars with the FSD package, it's not clear if this had it) in 2020. Autopilot on the car in question was limited to lanekeeping and collision avoidance with the vehicle in front.

soheil 4y ago
How is it not clear? FSD and Autopilot are two very distinct things, please look it up.
- ff317 4y ago
  It's actually quite complex to unpack. In the past, you could order the cars with or without FSD hardware (on promises of future capability). These days (~2020+? I'm not sure the cutoff), you can order them without or without an FSD hardware enablement/cost, but they all have FSD hardware inside them, and the cost is just about turning it on or not, and you can always later opt to pay the cost or a subscription to enable it. For cars that do have FSD hardware both installed + enabled (paid-for): if you're part of a smaller select group of opt-in, approved testers (currently ~100K drivers in the US plus a smaller number in Canada), you can enable "FSD Beta", which is a whole different animal than Autopilot and not really relevant to the discussion. However, when you're using regular Autopilot, the capabilities of Autopilot are different for cars which have installed+enabled FSD hardware, and those which do not (either because you have the hardware but didn't pay the enabling cost, or because your car is old enough that some of them didn't come with the hardware at all if you didn't pay the cost up front or pay to have it retrofitted). Non-FSD-capability cars, for example, can't detect stoplights on Autopilot at present, while FSD-enabled cars running Autopilot can. There are probably some other differentiators like that as well. Basically, Autopilot-on-FSD-capable-cars is slowly getting minor Autopilot feature upgrades that are only possible with that hardware while they're waiting for the "real" FSD to arrive. Autopilot-on-non-FSD-capable-cars doesn't get these upgrades and is stuck with a more-limited functionality.
  - soheil 4y ago
    Why are you trying to conflate the two? Autopilot != FSD