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That's because their apps are written in Java and they need people to maintain them. Java isn't going anywhere for a while.

apedley 15y ago
I also find that jobs for Java are generally about maintaining or expanding old systems. The majority of jobs with newer companies or even newer projects at larger companies tend to involve C#, at least in my city.
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super_mario 15y ago
That's true only if by "apps" you mean web only. Java is not the most popular language/technology to turn to unless you are facing amazingly large scale or performance is critical. For startups developing in Java is probably not a great idea, because startups need to respond to change fast and get things up and running fast, and languages like Python, Ruby, some kind of LISP are way better at that. You can always re-write your application in Java/Scala if performance/scale becomes an issue (a lot of startups dream about having those kinds of problems :D).
- chrisledet 15y ago
  I actually worked for a startup who wanted who wanted their apps written in Java because it "scales". To this day they don't realize hardware is cheaper than deveopers.
  - ComputerGuru 15y ago
    Hardware isn't cheaper than developers when working on massive scale. See this: http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/C-and-Beyond-2011-Herb-Sutter-Why-C http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/C-and-Beyond-2011-Herb-Sutter...
    - chrisledet 15y ago
      Thanks for the video. I'll take a look.
  - super_mario 15y ago
    Read the well documented example of Twitter. This is the kind of scale I'm talking about.
    - stickhandle 15y ago
      twitter and the like is a total edge case
- qw 15y ago
  I personally like Java a lot and would use it in a startup. It's solid and easy to get good performance out of. It also has a huge amount of open source libraries. But I wouldn't necessarily use it for everything. Python / Ruby has good frameworks for the presentation layer of a web app. The perfect combination would be a dynamic language for the web server that calls a java based web service for most of the functionality (Jersey rocks)

apedley 15y ago

I also find that jobs for Java are generally about maintaining or expanding old systems. The majority of jobs with newer companies or even newer projects at larger companies tend to involve C#, at least in my city.

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super_mario 15y ago

That's true only if by "apps" you mean web only. Java is not the most popular language/technology to turn to unless you are facing amazingly large scale or performance is critical. For startups developing in Java is probably not a great idea, because startups need to respond to change fast and get things up and running fast, and languages like Python, Ruby, some kind of LISP are way better at that. You can always re-write your application in Java/Scala if performance/scale becomes an issue (a lot of startups dream about having those kinds of problems :D).

chrisledet 15y ago
I actually worked for a startup who wanted who wanted their apps written in Java because it "scales". To this day they don't realize hardware is cheaper than deveopers.
- ComputerGuru 15y ago
  Hardware isn't cheaper than developers when working on massive scale. See this: http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/C-and-Beyond-2011-Herb-Sutter-Why-C http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/C-and-Beyond-2011-Herb-Sutter...
  - chrisledet 15y ago
    Thanks for the video. I'll take a look.
- super_mario 15y ago
  Read the well documented example of Twitter. This is the kind of scale I'm talking about.
  - stickhandle 15y ago
    twitter and the like is a total edge case
qw 15y ago
I personally like Java a lot and would use it in a startup. It's solid and easy to get good performance out of. It also has a huge amount of open source libraries. But I wouldn't necessarily use it for everything. Python / Ruby has good frameworks for the presentation layer of a web app. The perfect combination would be a dynamic language for the web server that calls a java based web service for most of the functionality (Jersey rocks)