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> Not sure this is front-page worthy why not ? i believe it is especially as i imagine most people are not aware that such things exist in freedom lands

sgjohnson 4y ago
To be fair, this makes perfect sense. It allows compliance with wiretap warrants. Which are perfectly reasonable.
- salawat 4y ago
  They are not. This is broadband. This goes far beyond pen-registers. This is bloody everything from a particular endpoint, and not in an application specific manner. There is very little but storage reqs and someone getting uppity keeping this from becoming a dragnet type of surveillance mechanism.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    The warrant is part that makes it not a dragnet.
    - jaywalk 4y ago
      Depends on how specific and difficult the warrants are.
distantsounds 4y ago
if you're on HN there is a level of confidence that you understand basic networking, and that you are aware your traffic goes through a multitude of devices before you get the data you requested. it should come as no surprise that those devices can log the data passing through it.
- icedchai 4y ago
  Just wait... someone will complain this is a GDPR violation. ;)
tablespoon 4y ago
> why not ? i believe it is especially as i imagine most people are not aware that such things exist in freedom lands Do you mean firewall rules? Because firewall rules definitely exist in "freedom lands." A lot of the comments here seem to show an eagerness to misunderstand this. Even in a "freedom land" law enforcement still needs the power to intrusively investigate criminal suspects, because ineffective law enforcement is a bad thing and a threat to liberty.
- medo-bear 4y ago
  in freedom land people generally believe that things they own will not call the cops on them. in contrast in soviet russia people generally belived everything they owned called the cops on them
  - jaywalk 4y ago
    Just to be clear, this has nothing to do with a thing someone owns calling the cops on them. A CALEA intercept would be implemented before the data reaches the end user.
    - medo-bear 4y ago
      im taking the liberty to talk figuratively. but yeah the thing you own instead of calling the cops will by design and purpose snitch on you when they come knocking
      - jaywalk 4y ago
        How so? Unless you own a router with CALEA capabilities and specifically configure it to log all of your data, it's not going to snitch on you.
        medo-bear 4y ago
        > router with CALEA capabilities and specifically configure it to log all of your data the point is that in the US this [the device you own snitching on you] is required by law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_fo...

sgjohnson 4y ago

To be fair, this makes perfect sense. It allows compliance with wiretap warrants. Which are perfectly reasonable.

salawat 4y ago
They are not. This is broadband. This goes far beyond pen-registers. This is bloody everything from a particular endpoint, and not in an application specific manner. There is very little but storage reqs and someone getting uppity keeping this from becoming a dragnet type of surveillance mechanism.
- kube-system 4y ago
  The warrant is part that makes it not a dragnet.
  - jaywalk 4y ago
    Depends on how specific and difficult the warrants are.

distantsounds 4y ago

if you're on HN there is a level of confidence that you understand basic networking, and that you are aware your traffic goes through a multitude of devices before you get the data you requested. it should come as no surprise that those devices can log the data passing through it.

icedchai 4y ago
Just wait... someone will complain this is a GDPR violation. ;)

tablespoon 4y ago

> why not ? i believe it is especially as i imagine most people are not aware that such things exist in freedom lands Do you mean firewall rules? Because firewall rules definitely exist in "freedom lands." A lot of the comments here seem to show an eagerness to misunderstand this. Even in a "freedom land" law enforcement still needs the power to intrusively investigate criminal suspects, because ineffective law enforcement is a bad thing and a threat to liberty.

medo-bear 4y ago
in freedom land people generally believe that things they own will not call the cops on them. in contrast in soviet russia people generally belived everything they owned called the cops on them
- jaywalk 4y ago
  Just to be clear, this has nothing to do with a thing someone owns calling the cops on them. A CALEA intercept would be implemented before the data reaches the end user.
  - medo-bear 4y ago
    im taking the liberty to talk figuratively. but yeah the thing you own instead of calling the cops will by design and purpose snitch on you when they come knocking
    - jaywalk 4y ago
      How so? Unless you own a router with CALEA capabilities and specifically configure it to log all of your data, it's not going to snitch on you.
      - medo-bear 4y ago
        > router with CALEA capabilities and specifically configure it to log all of your data the point is that in the US this [the device you own snitching on you] is required by law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_fo...