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Our Dutch Scouts of age 15-17 also plan their own camps and do so on a shoestring budget, and it turns out that yes you can get from the Netherlands to the Czec

Our Dutch Scouts of age 15-17 also plan their own camps and do so on a shoestring budget, and it turns out that yes you can get from the Netherlands to the Czech Republic with all your camping gear using only like fifteen different German regional trains :-)

april_22 4y ago
Especially for traveling across Germany, this ticket isn't quite useful, however I feel like it is marketed as "free traveling across Germany for a month" which isn't really the case. Am wondering how everything will play out next couple of months.
- rob74 4y ago
  Well, you can travel across Germany if you don't mind changing trains several times. And the "free traveling across Germany" means that one ticket is valid for all regional trains and all public transport in all Germany (as opposed to e.g. a ticket bought in Munich only being valid in the Munich region), which is quite a good offer anyway...
- pflenker 4y ago
  It's not uncommon to travel through Germany using only the regional trains. There are several tickets tailored to this, like the "Quer durch's Land Ticket", which is valid for a full day. I, for one, used to travel a lot through Germany using only the Wochenendticket, which is the predecessor of the "Quer durch's Land" - Ticket and was only valid on Saturday or Sunday.
  - llampx 4y ago
    Its really too bad that they got rid of the Schönes Wochenende ticket.
- kuschku 4y ago
  DB always had weekend or summer tickets that were heavily discounted and only allowed regional trains. Especially young adults and teenagers use those every year, they’re perfect if you’ve got more time than money.
- master-lincoln 4y ago
  > "free traveling across Germany for a month" It's 3 months
  - jeroen 4y ago
    No, it's 1 month (in a 3 month period): > For 9 euros, you can travel throughout Germany on local/regional trains for a whole month in June, July or August.
    - a2800276 4y ago
      You can buy one each month, though. Even of you just use it for metropolitan transit, it's super cheap. My monthly pass (reduced because it only valid after 9 am so commuters have to pay more) costs 75 EUR. A single ticket ist 2.80. This is a good deal in almost any scenario where you take and applicable train.
      - FabHK 4y ago
        > so commuters have to pay more or start later...
        a2800276 4y ago
        Sure I can do that as a self employed Programmer, but typically employees don't get to pick their work hours. Most commuters have to be in the office by 9 a.m. My point was only that the 75 EUR is already a price reduced monthly ticket.
    - kingofpandora 4y ago
      Pro-tip: buy three tickets!
  - tuukkah 4y ago
    From the linked page: > The 9-Euro-Ticket is available in the period from 1 June 2022 to 31 August 2022. > It is valid for one calendar month, from 00:00 on the 1st until 24:00 on the 30th/31st.
- Someone 4y ago
  If you’re not only doing it for getting from A to B but also for the journey and have time, this can be a great deal. Even if you really want to get to B, it’s more adventurous and cheaper than taking a direct train. I can easily see teenagers or pensioners use this to backpack through Germany for a month. Even if you don’t know whether you’ll like it, it’s cheap enough to give it a try.
- dathinab 4y ago
  But if you travel across Germany you still likely want to use public transportation at the place where you come from/go to. Especially in inner cities using car can be a problem, parking can be very limited and/or very expensive. The ticket is cheaper then a 4x-rabat-bundle of "one way single trip" tickets in Berlin and Berlin is by far not the most expensive city wrt. local public transportation. So even then it's a good deal. The "traveling across Germany" advertisement is less about "you want to get to place B as far as possible" but more about "you want to travel and see a lot of places eventually ending up at place B" something the DB believes students like to do (if you look at other ads or thinks like the "Quer durchs Land" ticket. Anyway the ticket is mainly for people which use (or maybe now have to use) public transportation for daily usage (e.g. to/from work). I.e. the people mostly profiting from it are the people which don't have a lot of money. Which is grate as they are also the people hardest hit by the increased costs of more or less everything.
Toutouxc 4y ago
Related: We're a Czech couple, currently planning our vacation in the Netherlands, and we too are on a very tight budget. I wanted so bad to get there by train and spend the week there riding Dutch trains all over the place, but man, the train journey there and back is just as long as a car trip (~10-12 hours) and costs at least twice as much. Looks like we'll be taking our 50 MPG car instead and since it will be there with us, also using it to get around the country. Sorry about the pollution.
- RektBoy 4y ago
  - sdoering 4y ago
    You lost me at "EU green-madness". It could have otherwise been a valid pov but this definitely changed the territory for me.
  - master-lincoln 4y ago
    The train will go independently of utilization so no matter how few seats are occupied, using a car instead will lead to more emissions (noise, particles from tires, exhaust gases incl. CO2). Why do you think taking a taxi to/from a train station makes the whole trip take more emissions than taking a car for the whole ride? Which other factors would need to be counted in? I honestly can not imagine a scenario where using a car is better for the environment than using a train... > Please don't push this EU green-madness. Please make an argument that your position should not be considered madness. I am myself not taking a train very often, but that is because it's often more expensive than using my car, less flexible and not as comfortable (mostly because I don't feel comfortable around strangers).
  - owenversteeg 4y ago
    You may be surprised to know that this is actually something people have thought about; turns out you would need extremely low utilization of the train, plus a very long journey at each end by car, plus one of the more inefficient train routes, for it to lose to the car or the plane. High speed trains are generally the least efficient in CO2/passenger km, so if you’re looking to put this together then I would recommend France’s excellent analysis of their carbon output on their routes. As one example, the Paris-Geneva TGV Lyria is 3.5 kg co2e per person per trip on an average utilization train. [0] Driving is 149 kg co2e per vehicle; average occupancy is 1.12 to 1.6 people per car but let’s be generous to your idea and say we have a full average Swiss family of 2.3 people along for the ride. So driving is 64.7 kg co2e per person. It’s a 5.5 hour drive, so let’s be very favorable to the car again and say they have a 1 hour taxi ride at each destination. You’re now at a total of 23.2kg taxi + 3.5kg train = 26.7kg total, or half that of driving; as you can see even a 10x capacity reduction in the train would still make the train more efficient. It’s remarkably hard to beat a train with anything other than a bus, and you’ll need a fairly efficient bus and a fairly inefficient train for that. [0] https://www.tgv-lyria.com/sites/default/files/inline-files/tgv-lyria-infras-carbon-footprint-2020.pdf https://www.tgv-lyria.com/sites/default/files/inline-files/t...

april_22 4y ago

Especially for traveling across Germany, this ticket isn't quite useful, however I feel like it is marketed as "free traveling across Germany for a month" which isn't really the case. Am wondering how everything will play out next couple of months.

rob74 4y ago
Well, you can travel across Germany if you don't mind changing trains several times. And the "free traveling across Germany" means that one ticket is valid for all regional trains and all public transport in all Germany (as opposed to e.g. a ticket bought in Munich only being valid in the Munich region), which is quite a good offer anyway...
pflenker 4y ago
It's not uncommon to travel through Germany using only the regional trains. There are several tickets tailored to this, like the "Quer durch's Land Ticket", which is valid for a full day. I, for one, used to travel a lot through Germany using only the Wochenendticket, which is the predecessor of the "Quer durch's Land" - Ticket and was only valid on Saturday or Sunday.
- llampx 4y ago
  Its really too bad that they got rid of the Schönes Wochenende ticket.
kuschku 4y ago
DB always had weekend or summer tickets that were heavily discounted and only allowed regional trains. Especially young adults and teenagers use those every year, they’re perfect if you’ve got more time than money.
master-lincoln 4y ago
> "free traveling across Germany for a month" It's 3 months
- jeroen 4y ago
  No, it's 1 month (in a 3 month period): > For 9 euros, you can travel throughout Germany on local/regional trains for a whole month in June, July or August.
  - a2800276 4y ago
    You can buy one each month, though. Even of you just use it for metropolitan transit, it's super cheap. My monthly pass (reduced because it only valid after 9 am so commuters have to pay more) costs 75 EUR. A single ticket ist 2.80. This is a good deal in almost any scenario where you take and applicable train.
    - FabHK 4y ago
      > so commuters have to pay more or start later...
      - a2800276 4y ago
        Sure I can do that as a self employed Programmer, but typically employees don't get to pick their work hours. Most commuters have to be in the office by 9 a.m. My point was only that the 75 EUR is already a price reduced monthly ticket.
  - kingofpandora 4y ago
    Pro-tip: buy three tickets!
- tuukkah 4y ago
  From the linked page: > The 9-Euro-Ticket is available in the period from 1 June 2022 to 31 August 2022. > It is valid for one calendar month, from 00:00 on the 1st until 24:00 on the 30th/31st.
Someone 4y ago
If you’re not only doing it for getting from A to B but also for the journey and have time, this can be a great deal. Even if you really want to get to B, it’s more adventurous and cheaper than taking a direct train. I can easily see teenagers or pensioners use this to backpack through Germany for a month. Even if you don’t know whether you’ll like it, it’s cheap enough to give it a try.
dathinab 4y ago
But if you travel across Germany you still likely want to use public transportation at the place where you come from/go to. Especially in inner cities using car can be a problem, parking can be very limited and/or very expensive. The ticket is cheaper then a 4x-rabat-bundle of "one way single trip" tickets in Berlin and Berlin is by far not the most expensive city wrt. local public transportation. So even then it's a good deal. The "traveling across Germany" advertisement is less about "you want to get to place B as far as possible" but more about "you want to travel and see a lot of places eventually ending up at place B" something the DB believes students like to do (if you look at other ads or thinks like the "Quer durchs Land" ticket. Anyway the ticket is mainly for people which use (or maybe now have to use) public transportation for daily usage (e.g. to/from work). I.e. the people mostly profiting from it are the people which don't have a lot of money. Which is grate as they are also the people hardest hit by the increased costs of more or less everything.

Toutouxc 4y ago

Related: We're a Czech couple, currently planning our vacation in the Netherlands, and we too are on a very tight budget. I wanted so bad to get there by train and spend the week there riding Dutch trains all over the place, but man, the train journey there and back is just as long as a car trip (~10-12 hours) and costs at least twice as much. Looks like we'll be taking our 50 MPG car instead and since it will be there with us, also using it to get around the country. Sorry about the pollution.

RektBoy 4y ago
- sdoering 4y ago
  You lost me at "EU green-madness". It could have otherwise been a valid pov but this definitely changed the territory for me.
- master-lincoln 4y ago
  The train will go independently of utilization so no matter how few seats are occupied, using a car instead will lead to more emissions (noise, particles from tires, exhaust gases incl. CO2). Why do you think taking a taxi to/from a train station makes the whole trip take more emissions than taking a car for the whole ride? Which other factors would need to be counted in? I honestly can not imagine a scenario where using a car is better for the environment than using a train... > Please don't push this EU green-madness. Please make an argument that your position should not be considered madness. I am myself not taking a train very often, but that is because it's often more expensive than using my car, less flexible and not as comfortable (mostly because I don't feel comfortable around strangers).
- owenversteeg 4y ago
  You may be surprised to know that this is actually something people have thought about; turns out you would need extremely low utilization of the train, plus a very long journey at each end by car, plus one of the more inefficient train routes, for it to lose to the car or the plane. High speed trains are generally the least efficient in CO2/passenger km, so if you’re looking to put this together then I would recommend France’s excellent analysis of their carbon output on their routes. As one example, the Paris-Geneva TGV Lyria is 3.5 kg co2e per person per trip on an average utilization train. [0] Driving is 149 kg co2e per vehicle; average occupancy is 1.12 to 1.6 people per car but let’s be generous to your idea and say we have a full average Swiss family of 2.3 people along for the ride. So driving is 64.7 kg co2e per person. It’s a 5.5 hour drive, so let’s be very favorable to the car again and say they have a 1 hour taxi ride at each destination. You’re now at a total of 23.2kg taxi + 3.5kg train = 26.7kg total, or half that of driving; as you can see even a 10x capacity reduction in the train would still make the train more efficient. It’s remarkably hard to beat a train with anything other than a bus, and you’ll need a fairly efficient bus and a fairly inefficient train for that. [0] https://www.tgv-lyria.com/sites/default/files/inline-files/tgv-lyria-infras-carbon-footprint-2020.pdf https://www.tgv-lyria.com/sites/default/files/inline-files/t...