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Over here commute is part of work by law, so I assume it would count as 9 for most people?

refurb 4y ago
In this case no, they just took the option to work less without making up the hours.
v-erne 4y ago
Which country is this? I would love to have commute as part of work in my country. Fom the point of law employees materialize at work in the morning and than teleports to home in the evening (the creator of work code here must have been fan of star trek). I believe this kind of change in workers law would motivate employers to implement more sane WFH policies.
- refurb 4y ago
  So basically the people who choose to live far away get subsidized? They work fewer hours for the same pay.
  - v-erne 4y ago
    >>So basically the people who choose to live far away get subsidized? Sure, You can put it this way - if workers living close have problem with that they can move or select another employer (if they prefer commuting to actually working) >> They work fewer hours for the same pay. I would argue that You are using definition of work time that is beneficial for employers. For me every minute of commute to work is due to employers order (You have to be where I tell You). And thus is not owned by the employee.
    - refurb 4y ago
      This is entirely a non-workable solution. It’s basically a race to the bottom. If I live 500 km away can I just take a train ride in, stay 30 min then get back on the train ride home and collect a full paycheck? If so, please let me know how to apply.
      - v-erne 4y ago
        >> It’s basically a race to the bottom. It only is if You ignore constraints that exist in real live (as opposed to thought models of economic systems). >>If I live 500 km away can I just take a train ride in, stay 30 min then get back on the train ride home and collect a full paycheck? Yes, you can try, but first You have to find employer that is charitable enough to pay You for doing nothing (I have said nothing in my post about forcing employers to take on grifters, just asked to recognize that commute is hidden cost for employees and should be normalized).
- Closi 4y ago
  > Which country is this? I would love to have commute as part of work in my country. Usually countries with laws about commuting being part of the daily wage are more about people who work across different locations rather than their fixed daily commute (i.e. you have a single fixed 'location' where you work, and then if you travel to another location then you are paid for that travel, for instance a salesperson that travels 4 hours each way to give a 2-hour presentation cannot be argued to have only worked 2 hours from a minimum-wage perspective, however if they are travelling to their usual office, even if that is 2 hours away, this would not need to be paid). Paid daily commutes aren't a part of any countries laws I am aware of, as otherwise you would need to pay people differently depending on where they were living and rasies lots of practical considerations (What if I hire someone who is working next to the office and they move 2 hours away? Am I forced to pay them 50% extra or let them only work a 4 hour day? Presumably I can't fire/make them redundant just for moving home, as I'm assuming this is in a country with good workers-rights anwyay!), but I may be wrong and there may be a country which does do this!
  - v-erne 4y ago
    >>Usually countries with laws about commuting being part of the daily wage are more about people who work across different locations rather than their fixed daily commute (i.e. you have a single fixed 'location' where you work, Oh, I see, than You are not talking about commuting. This has different name - in my country we use something that can be translated literally as "delegation" - but it rather means business trip, I am not sure what is the international english term for this (I have been part of project creating web apps that did accounting for people that major part of work was traveling to clients).

In this case no, they just took the option to work less without making up the hours.

Which country is this? I would love to have commute as part of work in my country. Fom the point of law employees materialize at work in the morning and than teleports to home in the evening (the creator of work code here must have been fan of star trek). I believe this kind of change in workers law would motivate employers to implement more sane WFH policies.

refurb 4y ago
So basically the people who choose to live far away get subsidized? They work fewer hours for the same pay.
- v-erne 4y ago
  >>So basically the people who choose to live far away get subsidized? Sure, You can put it this way - if workers living close have problem with that they can move or select another employer (if they prefer commuting to actually working) >> They work fewer hours for the same pay. I would argue that You are using definition of work time that is beneficial for employers. For me every minute of commute to work is due to employers order (You have to be where I tell You). And thus is not owned by the employee.
  - refurb 4y ago
    This is entirely a non-workable solution. It’s basically a race to the bottom. If I live 500 km away can I just take a train ride in, stay 30 min then get back on the train ride home and collect a full paycheck? If so, please let me know how to apply.
    - v-erne 4y ago
      >> It’s basically a race to the bottom. It only is if You ignore constraints that exist in real live (as opposed to thought models of economic systems). >>If I live 500 km away can I just take a train ride in, stay 30 min then get back on the train ride home and collect a full paycheck? Yes, you can try, but first You have to find employer that is charitable enough to pay You for doing nothing (I have said nothing in my post about forcing employers to take on grifters, just asked to recognize that commute is hidden cost for employees and should be normalized).
Closi 4y ago
> Which country is this? I would love to have commute as part of work in my country. Usually countries with laws about commuting being part of the daily wage are more about people who work across different locations rather than their fixed daily commute (i.e. you have a single fixed 'location' where you work, and then if you travel to another location then you are paid for that travel, for instance a salesperson that travels 4 hours each way to give a 2-hour presentation cannot be argued to have only worked 2 hours from a minimum-wage perspective, however if they are travelling to their usual office, even if that is 2 hours away, this would not need to be paid). Paid daily commutes aren't a part of any countries laws I am aware of, as otherwise you would need to pay people differently depending on where they were living and rasies lots of practical considerations (What if I hire someone who is working next to the office and they move 2 hours away? Am I forced to pay them 50% extra or let them only work a 4 hour day? Presumably I can't fire/make them redundant just for moving home, as I'm assuming this is in a country with good workers-rights anwyay!), but I may be wrong and there may be a country which does do this!
- v-erne 4y ago
  >>Usually countries with laws about commuting being part of the daily wage are more about people who work across different locations rather than their fixed daily commute (i.e. you have a single fixed 'location' where you work, Oh, I see, than You are not talking about commuting. This has different name - in my country we use something that can be translated literally as "delegation" - but it rather means business trip, I am not sure what is the international english term for this (I have been part of project creating web apps that did accounting for people that major part of work was traveling to clients).