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The German government did that to compensate for rising gasoline prices. While I think that is in general appreciated by the public, I am not quite sure how man

The German government did that to compensate for rising gasoline prices. While I think that is in general appreciated by the public, I am not quite sure how many people aged 45 above will use this ticket. They trains will be super crowded this summer and people will just prefer to use their car instead.

bombcar 4y ago
"Nobody uses the trains because they're all super crowded" reminds me of the quote ascribed to Yogi Berra, "Nobody goes there! It's too crowded!"
Hendrikto 4y ago
Also it is completely useless for people living on the countryside. The nearest train station is a 20 minute drive away from where I live, so this does nothing for me. Still better than nothing, I guess.
- jona-f 4y ago
  Afaik regional buses are included in this ticket. I do not know any villages that don't even have those at least once a day.
  - Hendrikto 4y ago
    Again: What good does a once-a-day bus do villagers? It‘s useless for commuting, it‘s useless for doing errands.
- foepys 4y ago
  Over 75% of Germans live in cities or towns which overwhelmingly have reliable bus transit at least at daytime. Those remaining <25% are not really important here and can still use their cars.
  - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
    > Over 75% of Germans live in cities Unrelated to this topic but that explains why Germans are so eager to remove forest in order to build windmills. People in the city obviously don’t notice it anyway.
    - foepys 4y ago
      Give me an example where trees were cut and no new were planted. Coal mines are eating whole forests in North Rhine-Westfalia at this very moment and activists are getting beaten up by cops. Look up Garzweiler and Hambach [1]. You argument is the usual fear-mongering by (often right-wing) conservative politicians, wanting us to keep buying oil and gas from dictatorships. As you can see in France where they routinely have to shut down nuclear power plants to not overheat their adjacent rivers in the summer, nuclear is also no build and forget solution. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine
      - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
        Eifel. Around national park. I see it with my own eyes, I live here. Regarding Hambacher Forst. Does it not make you wonder why the situation quiet down while the country is going though an energy supply crunch?
        kappuchino 4y ago
        Well, unless you have some data about loss of forest for wind turbines, your observations on your surroundings attached to 75% living in the cities is just anecdotal evidence casually presented as a fact. Not helpful in a discussion about a related topic, even less when this is about the 9euro ticket. For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence As for Hambacher Forst, you failed to mention that most issues have been either finalized in courts or were dealt with in protests/politics. I'm not taking sides since this was never a black or white situation, it is always a multi faceted problem. (Empathic example: For the people living in the villages that were destroyed, the loss of their homeland is for most of us simply unimaginable. Then again for some time, germany needed the energy from these deposits under the villages.)
- radiospiel 4y ago
  Well, this is part of a package deal where they also reduce gasoline pricing.
ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>They trains will be super crowded this summer In Austria that's already a problem. Due to overcrowding, they're kicking people with valid tickets but no seat reservations off the trains telling them to get the next one.
FabHK 4y ago
> The German government did that to compensate for rising gasoline prices In particular, the government reduced the taxes on gasoline due to the high gasoline prices, a purely populist insanity in these times of climate crisis. Then they remembered that they were elected on a pro-environment platform, and concluded that they also had to support those using public transport, and this was the result.
MandieD 4y ago
It will be an absolute relief to the elderly/near-elderly poor, for starters. Like the woman I saw in the grocery store a few weeks ago on the verge of tears because the cheapest cooking oil available was 6 EUR/750ml bottle organic canola oil, and that’s still often the case. Inflation in Germany is every bit as bad as it is in the US, so this is also a bit of a welfare payment to all the people who take public transit anyway because they can’t afford to drive. I’m 100% for this, by the way; it’s an excellent use of my tax Euros. It will probably make the U-Bahn less pleasant for me, but that’s ok.
- 0x008 4y ago
  Also Inflation is measured really strangely in Germany. The official number is +7.4%. However, as someone who has no car and owns no home my main expenditures are: - rent (+13 % if I don’t move, at least +30% if I move). - groceries (+20% up until + 50%) - eating out / going out.(+20%) For this year only! Most prices have already risen in 2021 “due to Covid”… I guess for elderly people in cities it will be similar, probably less going out even and more groceries. So I really wonder how they come up with this number.
  - nnt38 4y ago
    The process to calculate inflation is transparent, you don't have to wonder.
    - 0x008 4y ago
      Oh thank you, your comment really adds value.
  - rawbot 4y ago
    Just use the McDonalds Cheeseburger index. It was 1,29€ on 2019, now it is 1,89€ (+46.5%). Almost all my normal food groceries have gone up by the same percentage amount (raw chicken, ground beef, eggs, milk etc.), and these should be unaffected (at least for now) by the war in Ukraine.

bombcar 4y ago

"Nobody uses the trains because they're all super crowded" reminds me of the quote ascribed to Yogi Berra, "Nobody goes there! It's too crowded!"

Hendrikto 4y ago

Also it is completely useless for people living on the countryside. The nearest train station is a 20 minute drive away from where I live, so this does nothing for me. Still better than nothing, I guess.

jona-f 4y ago
Afaik regional buses are included in this ticket. I do not know any villages that don't even have those at least once a day.
- Hendrikto 4y ago
  Again: What good does a once-a-day bus do villagers? It‘s useless for commuting, it‘s useless for doing errands.
foepys 4y ago
Over 75% of Germans live in cities or towns which overwhelmingly have reliable bus transit at least at daytime. Those remaining <25% are not really important here and can still use their cars.
- rad_gruchalski 4y ago
  > Over 75% of Germans live in cities Unrelated to this topic but that explains why Germans are so eager to remove forest in order to build windmills. People in the city obviously don’t notice it anyway.
  - foepys 4y ago
    Give me an example where trees were cut and no new were planted. Coal mines are eating whole forests in North Rhine-Westfalia at this very moment and activists are getting beaten up by cops. Look up Garzweiler and Hambach [1]. You argument is the usual fear-mongering by (often right-wing) conservative politicians, wanting us to keep buying oil and gas from dictatorships. As you can see in France where they routinely have to shut down nuclear power plants to not overheat their adjacent rivers in the summer, nuclear is also no build and forget solution. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine
    - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
      Eifel. Around national park. I see it with my own eyes, I live here. Regarding Hambacher Forst. Does it not make you wonder why the situation quiet down while the country is going though an energy supply crunch?
      - kappuchino 4y ago
        Well, unless you have some data about loss of forest for wind turbines, your observations on your surroundings attached to 75% living in the cities is just anecdotal evidence casually presented as a fact. Not helpful in a discussion about a related topic, even less when this is about the 9euro ticket. For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence As for Hambacher Forst, you failed to mention that most issues have been either finalized in courts or were dealt with in protests/politics. I'm not taking sides since this was never a black or white situation, it is always a multi faceted problem. (Empathic example: For the people living in the villages that were destroyed, the loss of their homeland is for most of us simply unimaginable. Then again for some time, germany needed the energy from these deposits under the villages.)
radiospiel 4y ago
Well, this is part of a package deal where they also reduce gasoline pricing.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

>They trains will be super crowded this summer In Austria that's already a problem. Due to overcrowding, they're kicking people with valid tickets but no seat reservations off the trains telling them to get the next one.

FabHK 4y ago

> The German government did that to compensate for rising gasoline prices In particular, the government reduced the taxes on gasoline due to the high gasoline prices, a purely populist insanity in these times of climate crisis. Then they remembered that they were elected on a pro-environment platform, and concluded that they also had to support those using public transport, and this was the result.

MandieD 4y ago

It will be an absolute relief to the elderly/near-elderly poor, for starters. Like the woman I saw in the grocery store a few weeks ago on the verge of tears because the cheapest cooking oil available was 6 EUR/750ml bottle organic canola oil, and that’s still often the case. Inflation in Germany is every bit as bad as it is in the US, so this is also a bit of a welfare payment to all the people who take public transit anyway because they can’t afford to drive. I’m 100% for this, by the way; it’s an excellent use of my tax Euros. It will probably make the U-Bahn less pleasant for me, but that’s ok.

0x008 4y ago
Also Inflation is measured really strangely in Germany. The official number is +7.4%. However, as someone who has no car and owns no home my main expenditures are: - rent (+13 % if I don’t move, at least +30% if I move). - groceries (+20% up until + 50%) - eating out / going out.(+20%) For this year only! Most prices have already risen in 2021 “due to Covid”… I guess for elderly people in cities it will be similar, probably less going out even and more groceries. So I really wonder how they come up with this number.
- nnt38 4y ago
  The process to calculate inflation is transparent, you don't have to wonder.
  - 0x008 4y ago
    Oh thank you, your comment really adds value.
- rawbot 4y ago
  Just use the McDonalds Cheeseburger index. It was 1,29€ on 2019, now it is 1,89€ (+46.5%). Almost all my normal food groceries have gone up by the same percentage amount (raw chicken, ground beef, eggs, milk etc.), and these should be unaffected (at least for now) by the war in Ukraine.