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> I can't seem to find information on whether it is possible to purchase the ticket as a non German citizen. Biggest hurdle will be getting a Germany ticket ma

> I can't seem to find information on whether it is possible to purchase the ticket as a non German citizen. Biggest hurdle will be getting a Germany ticket machine to accept a regular credit card! But otherwise, isn't discriminating based on nationality for good and services illegal?

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Freak_NL 4y ago
Credit cards aren't regular in Europe. They accept Maestro debit cards though, which almost everyone has, and cash.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  > Credit cards aren't regular in Europe. Pretty sure it's just Germany being pig-headed about it for some reason. Everywhere else in Europe is perfectly happy to accept a credit card. I do 99.999% of all my spending on a credit card, like most millennial people or younger, and the only people in the developed world who this is a problem for is the Germans.
  - dabc015f 4y ago
    > Pretty sure Why not at least google some statistics before you lose yourself in some pig-headed chauvinistic rant about what in the most charitable interpretation amounts to nothing at all.
  - switch007 4y ago
    Come on that’s not fair. Don’t the Dutch hate credit cards too?
    - Freak_NL 4y ago
      Not hate, just not a system used very much here. Most people with a credit card have one for online purchases (I do), but those are a minority. Even that is no longer really needed with big stores like Steam and Amazon (.de and .nl) accepting the local IDEAL standard for banking transfers. Paying with a credit card in shops? That's just not done excepting American tourists, same as in a number of European countries. It's contactless debit cards mostly. Building a credit rating by using a credit card is not part of the system.
  - FabHK 4y ago
    To be fair, I find it absolutely absurd that credit card companies siphon off 3% or so of all retail purchases, and then distribute a part of it back to their "most valuable customers" in the form of miles and cash backs and similar time-consuming nonsense. It is redistribution from the poor, those using cash and those not being able to pay off credit cards in full, to the rich. The EU has imposed caps on these interchange fees [1], which is one reason Europeans are not inundated by junk mail offering credit cards, and may be a reason that credit cards are not ubiquitous. Having said that, I find that I can pay electronically in most places, including Deutsche Bahn ticket machines (or just buy them in the app). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interchange_fee#European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interchange_fee#European_Union
  - freeflight 4y ago
    > Pretty sure it's just Germany being pig-headed about it for some reason. That pig-headed reason being that Germany went trough two different repressive regime during the last century. Regimes that made plenty of use of large scale surveillance and data collections [0] to find a lot of their victims. That's why cash still reigns supreme in Germany; It's anonymous and third parties can't just remotely disable it by disabling your bank account. It's also the reason why Germans value their privacy, at least used to. [0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Liste https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Liste
- p_l 4y ago
  EMV2-compatible debit/credit cards work pretty widely. The real issue is that some countries have locally-popular cards that don't work in that scheme (Dutch old Maestro variant, some german cards, etc.) or have very annoying compatibility issues (my old "Visa Electron", once very popular in Poland and which tripped UK card systems like crazy) and availability of card payments differs across EU - capping card fees and speeding up transactions thanks to EMV helped there a lot, but I remember hearing stories of Italian shops in touristy areas getting card readers... because of Polish visitors, who were accustomed to wide availability of cards (last local bastion of cash only was farmer's market nearby - now every more established stand has one)
elondaits 4y ago
I had no problem paying with a credit card on Bahn.de ticket machines (White and red). The yellow BVG ones gave me problems in the past accepting an Argentine card, but it’s likely it’d take it now that it has a chip.
0x008 4y ago
They accept Apple Pay, that might help.

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Freak_NL 4y ago

Credit cards aren't regular in Europe. They accept Maestro debit cards though, which almost everyone has, and cash.

chrisseaton 4y ago
> Credit cards aren't regular in Europe. Pretty sure it's just Germany being pig-headed about it for some reason. Everywhere else in Europe is perfectly happy to accept a credit card. I do 99.999% of all my spending on a credit card, like most millennial people or younger, and the only people in the developed world who this is a problem for is the Germans.
- dabc015f 4y ago
  > Pretty sure Why not at least google some statistics before you lose yourself in some pig-headed chauvinistic rant about what in the most charitable interpretation amounts to nothing at all.
- switch007 4y ago
  Come on that’s not fair. Don’t the Dutch hate credit cards too?
  - Freak_NL 4y ago
    Not hate, just not a system used very much here. Most people with a credit card have one for online purchases (I do), but those are a minority. Even that is no longer really needed with big stores like Steam and Amazon (.de and .nl) accepting the local IDEAL standard for banking transfers. Paying with a credit card in shops? That's just not done excepting American tourists, same as in a number of European countries. It's contactless debit cards mostly. Building a credit rating by using a credit card is not part of the system.
- FabHK 4y ago
  To be fair, I find it absolutely absurd that credit card companies siphon off 3% or so of all retail purchases, and then distribute a part of it back to their "most valuable customers" in the form of miles and cash backs and similar time-consuming nonsense. It is redistribution from the poor, those using cash and those not being able to pay off credit cards in full, to the rich. The EU has imposed caps on these interchange fees [1], which is one reason Europeans are not inundated by junk mail offering credit cards, and may be a reason that credit cards are not ubiquitous. Having said that, I find that I can pay electronically in most places, including Deutsche Bahn ticket machines (or just buy them in the app). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interchange_fee#European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interchange_fee#European_Union
- freeflight 4y ago
  > Pretty sure it's just Germany being pig-headed about it for some reason. That pig-headed reason being that Germany went trough two different repressive regime during the last century. Regimes that made plenty of use of large scale surveillance and data collections [0] to find a lot of their victims. That's why cash still reigns supreme in Germany; It's anonymous and third parties can't just remotely disable it by disabling your bank account. It's also the reason why Germans value their privacy, at least used to. [0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Liste https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Liste
p_l 4y ago
EMV2-compatible debit/credit cards work pretty widely. The real issue is that some countries have locally-popular cards that don't work in that scheme (Dutch old Maestro variant, some german cards, etc.) or have very annoying compatibility issues (my old "Visa Electron", once very popular in Poland and which tripped UK card systems like crazy) and availability of card payments differs across EU - capping card fees and speeding up transactions thanks to EMV helped there a lot, but I remember hearing stories of Italian shops in touristy areas getting card readers... because of Polish visitors, who were accustomed to wide availability of cards (last local bastion of cash only was farmer's market nearby - now every more established stand has one)

elondaits 4y ago

I had no problem paying with a credit card on Bahn.de ticket machines (White and red). The yellow BVG ones gave me problems in the past accepting an Argentine card, but it’s likely it’d take it now that it has a chip.

0x008 4y ago

They accept Apple Pay, that might help.