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> I think it's great, but honestly, placing it at 15€ would have made only a little difference The ticket exist to relieve citizens due to rising energy costs

> I think it's great, but honestly, placing it at 15€ would have made only a little difference The ticket exist to relieve citizens due to rising energy costs What a nice idea to double the price! i suggest to triple it, so they can make even more profits! Wait, i suggest aligning it to the cost of a similar travel with a car! Are you american by chance? https://www.stoag.de/en/dialog/neuigkeiten/detail/9-euro-ticket.html https://www.stoag.de/en/dialog/neuigkeiten/detail/9-euro-tic... > We support the idea of the traffic light coalition to temporarily relieve not only drivers, but also the millions of public transport commuters in their mobility costs. It is a clear signal for local public transport as an efficient, climate-friendly and already inexpensive alternative to the car. The industry is working on a technical and entrepreneurial solution in the interests of passengers. The ticket is to be launched nationwide on June 1st.

mtmail 4y ago
> Are you american by chance? That was unneccessary. _Microft shared several German news articles in the past.
- darrenf 4y ago
  Surely the question was aimed at @qwertox, not @_Microft?
- _Microft 4y ago
  I don't think that the message was addressed at me but I agree that it was unnecessarily personal. You inferred my nationality correctly btw ;)
  - GavinMcG 4y ago
    I'm an American who has lived in Germany, and it didn't seem like a personal attack to me. It's a reasonable thing to wonder when someone espouses a profits-first view in response to a social program.
    - _Microft 4y ago
      OK, I hadn't considered that. Thanks for the perspective!
tut-urut-utut 4y ago
> Wait, i suggest aligning it to the cost of a similar travel with a car! I would wish they actually align their normal prices with a car. It's absurd that it's cheaper for two people to travel from Karlsruhe to Frankfurt by car, than to take an ICE train. And that applies to almost any train connection inside a Germany. No wonder people like their cars here.
- lbriner 4y ago
  Same in the UK although unfortunately, the per-person cost is roughly linear on the railway and not in a car that will only need slightly more fuel per extra person. I guess the only way round this is that the per-person cost should be so much cheaper on the train that a car only makes sense with, say, 4 passengers. The thing is, most people already own the car so they don't consider tax/servicing as part of the cost of travel whereas on a train, this is all added to the ticket and the servicing is pretty extreme on the railways.
- freeflight 4y ago
  The secret is to order your ticket ahead of the travel and not to go for flex tickets, that way it's possible to get a massive discount and even travel first class ICE very affordably. For example, Nürnberg - Berlin can cost up to 127€ for second class ticket, if you buy the ticket the same day you need it. Buy the ticket, for the same connection, 2 weeks in advance, and suddenly its only 39,90€ for second class and 53,90€ for first class.
qwertox 4y ago
As an example, the 1-month-ticket for Stuttgart for two zones is 92,20€ [0]. For those affected by inflation, the reduction from 90 to 15€ would already be noticeable, the additional 6€ would be neglectible to the consumer in comparison to the already offered discount (not to mention that these new tickets can be used in the entire country). And those who will now leave their car in the garage will probably be saving even more. At least in my case it was always cheaper to use public transport to go to the city, at least if I also considered the parking cost. This for a 1-day ticket, which already costs a bit over 6€. [0] https://www.vvs.de/tickets/zeittickets-abo-polygo/monatsticket-jedermann/ https://www.vvs.de/tickets/zeittickets-abo-polygo/monatstick...
- drakonka 4y ago
  Why? Presumably they took into account their own financial situation when setting this price. Why would you want an organization to try and claw a few _more_ euros out of people when they've already agreed on 9€? I guess I just don't understand where you're coming from in terms of the purpose of this suggestion.
wwwwasmistake 4y ago
Maybe this time it's because of rising energy cost, but I remember there was very same deal for short time, little more than 10 years ago when I was visiting there. If one feels adventurous, I can highly recommend buying this ticket.
Tenoke 4y ago
>What a nice idea to double the price! i suggest to triple it, so they can make even more profits! Pretty sure they wouldn't be making any profit at 15e or 27e either.

mtmail 4y ago

> Are you american by chance? That was unneccessary. _Microft shared several German news articles in the past.

darrenf 4y ago
Surely the question was aimed at @qwertox, not @_Microft?
_Microft 4y ago
I don't think that the message was addressed at me but I agree that it was unnecessarily personal. You inferred my nationality correctly btw ;)
- GavinMcG 4y ago
  I'm an American who has lived in Germany, and it didn't seem like a personal attack to me. It's a reasonable thing to wonder when someone espouses a profits-first view in response to a social program.
  - _Microft 4y ago
    OK, I hadn't considered that. Thanks for the perspective!

tut-urut-utut 4y ago

> Wait, i suggest aligning it to the cost of a similar travel with a car! I would wish they actually align their normal prices with a car. It's absurd that it's cheaper for two people to travel from Karlsruhe to Frankfurt by car, than to take an ICE train. And that applies to almost any train connection inside a Germany. No wonder people like their cars here.

lbriner 4y ago
Same in the UK although unfortunately, the per-person cost is roughly linear on the railway and not in a car that will only need slightly more fuel per extra person. I guess the only way round this is that the per-person cost should be so much cheaper on the train that a car only makes sense with, say, 4 passengers. The thing is, most people already own the car so they don't consider tax/servicing as part of the cost of travel whereas on a train, this is all added to the ticket and the servicing is pretty extreme on the railways.
freeflight 4y ago
The secret is to order your ticket ahead of the travel and not to go for flex tickets, that way it's possible to get a massive discount and even travel first class ICE very affordably. For example, Nürnberg - Berlin can cost up to 127€ for second class ticket, if you buy the ticket the same day you need it. Buy the ticket, for the same connection, 2 weeks in advance, and suddenly its only 39,90€ for second class and 53,90€ for first class.

qwertox 4y ago

As an example, the 1-month-ticket for Stuttgart for two zones is 92,20€ [0]. For those affected by inflation, the reduction from 90 to 15€ would already be noticeable, the additional 6€ would be neglectible to the consumer in comparison to the already offered discount (not to mention that these new tickets can be used in the entire country). And those who will now leave their car in the garage will probably be saving even more. At least in my case it was always cheaper to use public transport to go to the city, at least if I also considered the parking cost. This for a 1-day ticket, which already costs a bit over 6€. [0] https://www.vvs.de/tickets/zeittickets-abo-polygo/monatsticket-jedermann/ https://www.vvs.de/tickets/zeittickets-abo-polygo/monatstick...

drakonka 4y ago
Why? Presumably they took into account their own financial situation when setting this price. Why would you want an organization to try and claw a few _more_ euros out of people when they've already agreed on 9€? I guess I just don't understand where you're coming from in terms of the purpose of this suggestion.

wwwwasmistake 4y ago

Maybe this time it's because of rising energy cost, but I remember there was very same deal for short time, little more than 10 years ago when I was visiting there. If one feels adventurous, I can highly recommend buying this ticket.

Tenoke 4y ago

>What a nice idea to double the price! i suggest to triple it, so they can make even more profits! Pretty sure they wouldn't be making any profit at 15e or 27e either.