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Riding a motorcycle is absolutely not "a problem of ones own making". My commute for about 5 years was between 2-3 times quicker on a motorcycle than it would h

Riding a motorcycle is absolutely not "a problem of ones own making". My commute for about 5 years was between 2-3 times quicker on a motorcycle than it would have been in a car on average and it reduced congestion for other road users. You could apply your logic for basically any form of transport - "We shouldn't have bus lanes, they're just solving a problem of bus riders' own making by annoying everyone else". There's no reason for stupidly loud exhausts (although ICE motorbikes will likely always be louder than cars due to the exposed engine and not enough room for a larger muffler), but that has nothing to do with your apparent irrational hatred of motorcycles.

rendall 4y ago
> irrational hatred of motorcycle I very clearly linked my "irrational hatred" to the noise. Interesting that you read that and thought "that's me!" Is it irrational to hate people who intentionally inflict loud, unpleasant noise indiscriminately on everyone else - sleepers, infants, daydreamers, musics listeners, meditators - because of their own lifestyle choice? Surprisingly, someone who does this thinks so. I actually admire quiet motorcyclists. They are adults who understand the risks and accept them. Like adults do.
- SilverBirch 4y ago
  You really are getting over-excited about this. I didn't think "That's me" I thought "riding a motorcycle is a problem of your own making" is a really obtuse argument. Not least because we all know that the noise has nothing to do with safety anyway. For reference, I ride a motorcycle that has the factory fitted exhaust in a country that has laws limiting the noise of exhausts sold and tests vehicles every year to ensure they haven't been modified to be louder. I also wear earplugs when riding it to protect my hearing - which protects me from wind noise - not engine noise. So, no, I'm not thinking "that's me".
  - rendall 4y ago
    I don't have a problem at all with riders who follow the law with respect to noise. I'm sorry it wasn't clear. My problem is with people who modify their cycles to be louder because they feel that it is safer for themselves. In order to catch the attention of the, let's be generous, 1 in 5 car drivers who would not otherwise be aware of them, they blare noise that disrupts the peace of mind of literally hundreds or thousands of people who are not on the road. Frankly I am baffled that anyone would actually argue for this. I honestly think there is something wrong with their empathy processing, or their hearing. Surely they must experience this themselves as pedestrians or sleepers? When their baby is woken or car alarms go off, they think "that hero just reduced traffic congestion". Weird.
jacquesm 4y ago
There are plenty of motorcycles that do not make a ridiculous amount of noise, the ones that do clearly do so because of a conscious choice by their 'hey look at me' owners.

rendall 4y ago

> irrational hatred of motorcycle I very clearly linked my "irrational hatred" to the noise. Interesting that you read that and thought "that's me!" Is it irrational to hate people who intentionally inflict loud, unpleasant noise indiscriminately on everyone else - sleepers, infants, daydreamers, musics listeners, meditators - because of their own lifestyle choice? Surprisingly, someone who does this thinks so. I actually admire quiet motorcyclists. They are adults who understand the risks and accept them. Like adults do.

SilverBirch 4y ago
You really are getting over-excited about this. I didn't think "That's me" I thought "riding a motorcycle is a problem of your own making" is a really obtuse argument. Not least because we all know that the noise has nothing to do with safety anyway. For reference, I ride a motorcycle that has the factory fitted exhaust in a country that has laws limiting the noise of exhausts sold and tests vehicles every year to ensure they haven't been modified to be louder. I also wear earplugs when riding it to protect my hearing - which protects me from wind noise - not engine noise. So, no, I'm not thinking "that's me".
- rendall 4y ago
  I don't have a problem at all with riders who follow the law with respect to noise. I'm sorry it wasn't clear. My problem is with people who modify their cycles to be louder because they feel that it is safer for themselves. In order to catch the attention of the, let's be generous, 1 in 5 car drivers who would not otherwise be aware of them, they blare noise that disrupts the peace of mind of literally hundreds or thousands of people who are not on the road. Frankly I am baffled that anyone would actually argue for this. I honestly think there is something wrong with their empathy processing, or their hearing. Surely they must experience this themselves as pedestrians or sleepers? When their baby is woken or car alarms go off, they think "that hero just reduced traffic congestion". Weird.

jacquesm 4y ago

There are plenty of motorcycles that do not make a ridiculous amount of noise, the ones that do clearly do so because of a conscious choice by their 'hey look at me' owners.