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The discussion here, exclusively from Westerners, is focused on the anglosaxon semantics of religion. It would be blasphemous and offensive to Japanese people
by alephnan 4y ago
The discussion here, exclusively from Westerners, is focused on the anglosaxon semantics of religion.
It would be blasphemous and offensive to Japanese people to suggest these sites aren’t sacred. Yes, Japan is developed and people might not need to believe in the supernatural, but, to Asian people, Confucianism and respect for ancestors is borderline religion. The very word religion has different meaning in Asia, so to map it back into Western’s archetype of religion is weird. The word religion in the sinosphere could be translated as “way of living”, and tea practitioners consider their practice as such. Shinto, whether it’s actually belief in the Kami or reverence of the imperial family, is culturally the same. When American politicians float the word God, are they really speaking in actual terms or figures of speech?
Regarding the idea that Shinto is mostly a modern invention by the ruling class. The imperial shrines look this different. They have different motifs such as horses. Datapoint : I’ve been to thousands if not tens of thousands of shrines. The naming system of shrines is also a cue. It also doesn’t explain why there are thousand year old shrines, not in one region, but every region of Japan. Datapoint: I’ve been to all 47 prefectures.
Also, go to a rural remote fishing village. The shinto shrines there have a different level of spirituality. They aren’t tourist spots. They don’t have money. But the locals worship and pray for safe passage in the seas. When I went through Mie prefecture, the Ama, freediver women, have all had friends who died. The people in harsher economically deprived regions are much closer to reality, and if that’s not religion, I’m not sure what it is.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ama_(diving) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ama_(diving)
- SenHeng 4y agoI've had a huge argument before with an ex about what happens when I die. She was insistent that we be buried in her family tomb, so that our descendants may continue to visit and remember us. I rejected that because I'm an atheist and I want a space burial [0]. That then detoured into a huge argument about how that's not really religion, that's just tradition, and following tradition is The Right Thing™. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_burial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_burial
- solidsnack9000 4y agoPlease get buried in the family tomb. Getting a space burial is just religion. Ancestor worship is tradition and religion.
- SenHeng 4y agoIf I can’t rot away inside a photon torpedo drifting endlessly in space, the next best thing is burning in a blaze of glory as I re-enter the atmosphere. The kids can keep my pinky bone if they insist on following silly ancient rituals. Anyway, the point is that I have not and probably will never have the good fortune of traveling into into space in my lifetime. At least let me do so in death. I promise you you’ll still get your inheritance.
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