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please, stop this moral equivalency rhetoric this is not the U.S. opposing russia, but the world - literally the majority of all countries the rest of your po
by ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
please, stop this moral equivalency rhetoric
this is not the U.S. opposing russia, but the world - literally the majority of all countries
the rest of your post is whataboutism that fails to justify russia's genocidal war of territorial conquest against Ukraine and Ukrainians, both of which russia believes should not exist, period
the world hears russia's farcical pretexts of "denazification" and recognizes it as a cynical ploy to preempt the obvious comparison of russia to the last country which attempted a genocidal war of territorial conquest in Europe
if you want to stop russia's genocidal war of territorial conquest in Ukraine, speak out against russia's genocidal war of territorial conquest in Ukraine
as for international aid to Ukraine, lethal and not, that is what the Ukrainian people ask for, and no amount of russian whinging and concern trolling allegedly on their behalf, or ridiculous "come at me bro"-esque macho encouragement for more countries to formally declare war, will prevent the world from answering their pleas against russia's genocidal war of territorial conquest
>Edit: For the record i'm not justifying or demonising either side
Edit: yes, that is the problem. one side is perpetrating a genocide, the other a victim of it. As Desmond Tutu said, "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor". That is your choice here.
- Guthur 4y agoIf everyone is so united in opposition why are they still buying the oil and gas (paying in Rubles)? If they're so together why did Turkey block Sweden and Finland joining Nato. If the unifying petrodollar still binds us all why is Saudi considering Yuan. If they had any sort of plan that would save Ukrainians why is it taking months to enact?
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago>If everyone is so united in opposition why are they still buying the oil and gas (paying in Rubles)? Are you asking this in good faith, as in, you do not know, and wish to learn? Or did you mean to say, "I think that a majority of countries are not united in opposition to russia, and I submit as evidence that russian energy sales are not zero" ?
- Guthur 4y agoAh no. Maybe I'm just stupid, so please explain to me how all the European countries that are so united in solidatary with Ukraine can square the round hole of also paying Russia vast sums of money for energy?
- ImPostingOnHN 4y agoexplain to you because you do not know, and wish to learn, and thus you are asking in good faith? or "explain", as in you think the majority of countries are not united in opposition to russia, and you would like to advance this claim? I want to be clear here, I am all for sharing knowledge, so if you need an explanation because you don't know, and don't just plan to argue, please say so and I will share all I can, what little it may be
- Guthur 4y agoSo you have no interest in explaining to me how EU countries (Germany etc) paying Russia for energy helps Ukraine? I'm quite serious, I don't know how paying Russia helps Ukraine, or are they not paying for energy? maybe I am ill informed. And please don't come back with misdirection, either answer the question or lets leave it like that because it's a waste of both our time.
- d1sxeyes 4y agoNot the person you were originally responding to, but I would point out that originally the statement was about if everyone is united in opposition, why are we still buying fossil fuel from Russia. This is not the same question as how it helps Ukraine, so I would be careful throwing around the word “misdirection”.
- Guthur 4y agoThe original responder asked twice in a row whether or not i wanted an answer when there was obviously nothing rhetorical about my questions and so that is the misdirection. And we are now how deep in this thread without an answer to the simple question; how can a lack of EU energy embargo stand in solidarity with the sanctions and Ukraine. Please explain?
- morsch 4y agoIf everyone is so united in opposition why are they still buying the oil and gas (paying in Rubles)? Because we are dependent on it and despite opposition to Russia's war, our solidarity has limits. Limits which are a subject to internal debate and strive. Obviously you know this, which explains the other posters incredulity at the question, which is bound to be in bad faith. If they're so together why did Turkey block Sweden and Finland joining Nato. Probably because they see a way to get something they want. Probably not as a gesture towards Russia, since their own contribution to the war -- e.g. closing off the Black sea has been pretty effective.
- willcipriano 4y ago> our solidarity has limits. That's more like flexabiledarity than solidarity.
- morsch 4y agoOk? That's not a word? I'm not saying the current politics are good, but that's what they are. You don't debate them by feigning ignorance like Guthur did. Pithy neologisms don't add much, either.