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While road noise is very annoying and serious, I will be displeased if this only targets certain types of noise and not others. Additionally, at a time when th

While road noise is very annoying and serious, I will be displeased if this only targets certain types of noise and not others. Additionally, at a time when the streets are seriously unsafe, this should not be a priority. It is reasons like this that I am infinitely glad I left NYC for the woods of the West Coast. EDIT: I would just like to add, if you feel that the streets of NYC are a safe place at night for women, children, or whomever, then I really feel like your opinion is very dismissive of people who have been seriously injured or killed.

scarface74 4y ago
As is true for all traffic laws, they are going to “target” minorities as yet another excuse to over police. https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data
- alexb_ 4y ago
  I understand a lot of people here are saying "but it's only about noise level", but I think they are all forgetting that it's a judgement call from police and involves selective enforcement. Laws will be ignored for people who "look honest" and enforced for those who look "likely to cause trouble".
- xanderlenz 4y ago
  They are going to target offenders. Minorities happen to have higher rates of offense. These are not the same things.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > Minorities happen to have higher rates of offense Anecdotally, in midtown, this isn’t true. (The Jersey plate correlation is.) Keep in mind that making one’s vehicle flatulate isn't cheap.
  - selfhifive 4y ago
    Since minorities are more likely to buy old used cars that make more noise in general they will have higher rates of offense.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      It’s called “selective enforcement”.
    - joecool1029 4y ago
      Read the act[1]. It's targeting modifications like ripping the baffles out of motorcycle exhaust or having open headers. I had a friend back in college that did this to a street motorcycle and it was audible for over 3 miles at night in the suburbs, absolutely absurdly loud. Rusted out exhaust pipes from road salt in NYC on cars will make them louder but nothing like what I'm describing. Basically makes them have an annoying low pitched rumble similar to what those stupid $40 ricer 'fart can' modifications would. Few orders of magnitude of a difference between loudness. [1] https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2021/S784B https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2021/S784B
    - maccard 4y ago
      I have a "noisy" unmodified car, and my neighbour has an Abarth with a modified exhaust. I haven't measured the noise difference for an exact number, but I'd wager his car is about 15x louder than mine. _No_ old unmodified cars are going to be caught by any laws that are aiming to capture nuisance laws.
    - chasd00 4y ago
      so what? a noisy car is a noisy car.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    You did notice from the article how many minorities are stopped by police and then not even ticketed compared to non minorities?
- ericmcer 4y ago
  I’m pretty sure it is just going to go by decibel level, it is a lot of added complexity to make the devices not just listen for noise but to also identify skin color.
  - klyrs 4y ago
    > But the law doesn’t doesn’t compel law enforcement to issue tickets, nor does it require police cars to be equipped with decibel readers. According to TFA, the law wasn't written to ensure that. It's selective enforcement, with cops making judgement calls both about how loud is loud and who looks like they deserve a ticket.
- danielyaa5 4y ago
  Being a minority doesn't give you the right to be an asshole
  - alexb_ 4y ago
    According to many officers being white does give you the right to be an asshole, and laws like these are just selectively enforced.
    - danielyaa5 4y ago
      give me a break... they are enforcing this for by triggering a sound barrier. Just because that may be true for some things doesn't mean its true for all laws
      - scarface74 4y ago
        Are there different police involved?
yes_really 4y ago
> EDIT: I would just like to add, if you feel that the streets of NYC are a safe place at night for women, children, or whomever, then I really feel like your opinion is very dismissive of people who have been seriously injured or killed. The vast majority of homicide victims are male. In the US, the number is 78%. In the whole world, it is 79% [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender
- jsiaajdsdaa 4y ago
  >women, children, or whomever and who are the vast majority of assault and rape victims?

scarface74 4y ago

As is true for all traffic laws, they are going to “target” minorities as yet another excuse to over police. https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data

alexb_ 4y ago
I understand a lot of people here are saying "but it's only about noise level", but I think they are all forgetting that it's a judgement call from police and involves selective enforcement. Laws will be ignored for people who "look honest" and enforced for those who look "likely to cause trouble".
xanderlenz 4y ago
They are going to target offenders. Minorities happen to have higher rates of offense. These are not the same things.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > Minorities happen to have higher rates of offense Anecdotally, in midtown, this isn’t true. (The Jersey plate correlation is.) Keep in mind that making one’s vehicle flatulate isn't cheap.
- selfhifive 4y ago
  Since minorities are more likely to buy old used cars that make more noise in general they will have higher rates of offense.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    It’s called “selective enforcement”.
  - joecool1029 4y ago
    Read the act[1]. It's targeting modifications like ripping the baffles out of motorcycle exhaust or having open headers. I had a friend back in college that did this to a street motorcycle and it was audible for over 3 miles at night in the suburbs, absolutely absurdly loud. Rusted out exhaust pipes from road salt in NYC on cars will make them louder but nothing like what I'm describing. Basically makes them have an annoying low pitched rumble similar to what those stupid $40 ricer 'fart can' modifications would. Few orders of magnitude of a difference between loudness. [1] https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2021/S784B https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2021/S784B
  - maccard 4y ago
    I have a "noisy" unmodified car, and my neighbour has an Abarth with a modified exhaust. I haven't measured the noise difference for an exact number, but I'd wager his car is about 15x louder than mine. _No_ old unmodified cars are going to be caught by any laws that are aiming to capture nuisance laws.
  - chasd00 4y ago
    so what? a noisy car is a noisy car.
- scarface74 4y ago
  You did notice from the article how many minorities are stopped by police and then not even ticketed compared to non minorities?
ericmcer 4y ago
I’m pretty sure it is just going to go by decibel level, it is a lot of added complexity to make the devices not just listen for noise but to also identify skin color.
- klyrs 4y ago
  > But the law doesn’t doesn’t compel law enforcement to issue tickets, nor does it require police cars to be equipped with decibel readers. According to TFA, the law wasn't written to ensure that. It's selective enforcement, with cops making judgement calls both about how loud is loud and who looks like they deserve a ticket.
danielyaa5 4y ago
Being a minority doesn't give you the right to be an asshole
- alexb_ 4y ago
  According to many officers being white does give you the right to be an asshole, and laws like these are just selectively enforced.
  - danielyaa5 4y ago
    give me a break... they are enforcing this for by triggering a sound barrier. Just because that may be true for some things doesn't mean its true for all laws
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Are there different police involved?

yes_really 4y ago

> EDIT: I would just like to add, if you feel that the streets of NYC are a safe place at night for women, children, or whomever, then I really feel like your opinion is very dismissive of people who have been seriously injured or killed. The vast majority of homicide victims are male. In the US, the number is 78%. In the whole world, it is 79% [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender

jsiaajdsdaa 4y ago
>women, children, or whomever and who are the vast majority of assault and rape victims?