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I see you're getting downvoted for this, but NHTSA just released some data yesterday showing that out of 42 crashes involving cars operating under ADAS systems,

I see you're getting downvoted for this, but NHTSA just released some data yesterday showing that out of 42 crashes involving cars operating under ADAS systems, 37 of those crashes were Teslas. 14 people have died in Tesla vehicles with Autopilot enabled, while only 1 person has died in an ADAS related crash in any other make of vehicle. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTH1w3SXoAEVS7K?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTH1w3SXoAEVS7K?format=jpg&name=...

TaylorAlexander 4y ago
Of course whether or not this is bad depends on the percentage of ADAS systems out there from each manufacturer. If Tesla simply has more cars on the road with ADAS systems, the figure would not be surprising. That probably isn't the case, but without this information the crash figure is hard to evaluate. It may be that they have the most advanced ADAS system, causing drivers to behave differently with it.
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theferalrobot 4y ago
Anecdotally teslas account for 100% of the ADAS vehicles I’ve seen on the road so that seems like they are comparatively better
- dangrossman 4y ago
  ADAS systems are standard equipment in most new vehicles. Almost every Honda vehicle since 2016, almost every Nissan vehicle since 2018, etc. If your car has lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control, that's an ADAS.
  - marvin 4y ago
    My Skoda CityGo tries to run my car into the barrier every time I drive, and that's without me deliberately turning on any driver assist features. I just overpower it with the steering wheel. Occasionally it prevents the car from getting close to the centerline though, so it's not always a killer feature.
    - kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
      > Occasionally it prevents the car from getting close to the centerline though Must suck if you ever have to run over debris you could have dodged if the car would let you.
    - KerrAvon 4y ago
      Does your country have lemon laws? That’s the kind of thing they’re for.
- ramesh31 4y ago
  >Anecdotally teslas account for 100% of the ADAS vehicles I’ve seen on the road so that seems like they are comparatively better All new Toyotas sold for the last 2 years have level 2 ADAS as standard equipment, down to the cheapest base model Corolla. https://www.toyota.com/safety-sense/ https://www.toyota.com/safety-sense/ https://engage.toyota.com/static/images/toyota_safety_sense/TSS_Applicability_Chart.pdf https://engage.toyota.com/static/images/toyota_safety_sense/...
reissbaker 4y ago
Raw numbers aren't useful — that's like saying "X country had the most COVID cases" without telling us the population of X country, or how its case rate compares to other countries.
- snypher 4y ago
  Yes but a house with 37 pink flamingos is interesting if the rest of the neighborhood only has 1.
  - oneoff786 4y ago
    … no, this undid the previous post’s effort to contextualize things. One house in a neighborhood implies it’s the same size and a small fraction of the neighborhood.

TaylorAlexander 4y ago

Of course whether or not this is bad depends on the percentage of ADAS systems out there from each manufacturer. If Tesla simply has more cars on the road with ADAS systems, the figure would not be surprising. That probably isn't the case, but without this information the crash figure is hard to evaluate. It may be that they have the most advanced ADAS system, causing drivers to behave differently with it.

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theferalrobot 4y ago

Anecdotally teslas account for 100% of the ADAS vehicles I’ve seen on the road so that seems like they are comparatively better

dangrossman 4y ago
ADAS systems are standard equipment in most new vehicles. Almost every Honda vehicle since 2016, almost every Nissan vehicle since 2018, etc. If your car has lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control, that's an ADAS.
- marvin 4y ago
  My Skoda CityGo tries to run my car into the barrier every time I drive, and that's without me deliberately turning on any driver assist features. I just overpower it with the steering wheel. Occasionally it prevents the car from getting close to the centerline though, so it's not always a killer feature.
  - kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
    > Occasionally it prevents the car from getting close to the centerline though Must suck if you ever have to run over debris you could have dodged if the car would let you.
  - KerrAvon 4y ago
    Does your country have lemon laws? That’s the kind of thing they’re for.
ramesh31 4y ago
>Anecdotally teslas account for 100% of the ADAS vehicles I’ve seen on the road so that seems like they are comparatively better All new Toyotas sold for the last 2 years have level 2 ADAS as standard equipment, down to the cheapest base model Corolla. https://www.toyota.com/safety-sense/ https://www.toyota.com/safety-sense/ https://engage.toyota.com/static/images/toyota_safety_sense/TSS_Applicability_Chart.pdf https://engage.toyota.com/static/images/toyota_safety_sense/...

reissbaker 4y ago

Raw numbers aren't useful — that's like saying "X country had the most COVID cases" without telling us the population of X country, or how its case rate compares to other countries.

snypher 4y ago
Yes but a house with 37 pink flamingos is interesting if the rest of the neighborhood only has 1.
- oneoff786 4y ago
  … no, this undid the previous post’s effort to contextualize things. One house in a neighborhood implies it’s the same size and a small fraction of the neighborhood.