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It is clear that Putin needs to go. By any means necessary.

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perardi 4y ago
I am a Putin hater through and through… …but be reallllll careful thinking through the consequences of “any means necessary”, because a lot of those means end in a huge escalation of the conflict which further reduces access to minerals and food. (And, like, human lives.)
MaanuAir 4y ago
And? What’s the rest of the plan? I hear people saying that, but this is very short term with no sustainable strategy. Just genuinely pointing out he could be replaced by worse options, and you need to plan against it as well. There is the guy, the system he built, the persons he chose to put in place, all incentivised to continue.
- megous 4y ago
  I'm pretty sure this fear of change at the helm is something all dictators will happily project out ("look, without me there will be chaos or worse"). It's likely not true. It's really impossible to predict what will happen once Putin is gone. He'll die anyway sooner or later, and there will be a struggle for power regardless. Russia has a constitution, and article 81 describes how to get a new president via elections. Current paranoid leader is waging major war and isolating the country, so it's hard to say what could be worse for the world. Maybe mobilization in Russia, but that may be a tough call for any newcomer.
- dotopotoro 4y ago
  You are right. Add to that, the constant and persistent info flow from russian media and incentives to “say the right things”, which raised whole generation.
wmeredith 4y ago
"All we have to do is put a bell on the cat's neck." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belling_the_Cat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belling_the_Cat
throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
what then?
- megous 4y ago
  http://www.constitution.ru/en/10003000-05.htm http://www.constitution.ru/en/10003000-05.htm Article 81
  - throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
    no shit, but who do people expect to come after Putin? what would taking out Bush Jr. in the early phase of operation Iraqi Freedom accomplish? would the next guy immediately withdraw from Iraq and apologize to the world for the past wrongdoings?
    - megous 4y ago
      Well not much given who was the vice-president. But US of then was in a completely different situation from Russia today.

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I am a Putin hater through and through… …but be reallllll careful thinking through the consequences of “any means necessary”, because a lot of those means end in a huge escalation of the conflict which further reduces access to minerals and food. (And, like, human lives.)

MaanuAir 4y ago

And? What’s the rest of the plan? I hear people saying that, but this is very short term with no sustainable strategy. Just genuinely pointing out he could be replaced by worse options, and you need to plan against it as well. There is the guy, the system he built, the persons he chose to put in place, all incentivised to continue.

megous 4y ago
I'm pretty sure this fear of change at the helm is something all dictators will happily project out ("look, without me there will be chaos or worse"). It's likely not true. It's really impossible to predict what will happen once Putin is gone. He'll die anyway sooner or later, and there will be a struggle for power regardless. Russia has a constitution, and article 81 describes how to get a new president via elections. Current paranoid leader is waging major war and isolating the country, so it's hard to say what could be worse for the world. Maybe mobilization in Russia, but that may be a tough call for any newcomer.
dotopotoro 4y ago
You are right. Add to that, the constant and persistent info flow from russian media and incentives to “say the right things”, which raised whole generation.

wmeredith 4y ago

"All we have to do is put a bell on the cat's neck." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belling_the_Cat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belling_the_Cat

throwaway0x7E6 4y ago

what then?

megous 4y ago
http://www.constitution.ru/en/10003000-05.htm http://www.constitution.ru/en/10003000-05.htm Article 81
- throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
  no shit, but who do people expect to come after Putin? what would taking out Bush Jr. in the early phase of operation Iraqi Freedom accomplish? would the next guy immediately withdraw from Iraq and apologize to the world for the past wrongdoings?
  - megous 4y ago
    Well not much given who was the vice-president. But US of then was in a completely different situation from Russia today.