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This is outrageous. That's it, I am going to refrain from purchasing any and all Apple products from here on, am going to encourage others to do the same, and
by mroman 18y ago
This is outrageous.
That's it, I am going to refrain from purchasing any and all Apple products from here on, am going to encourage others to do the same, and will also refrain from recommending their products to anyone.
- wayne 18y agoSerious? That's hard core. This might discourage me from developing for the iPhone, but it's not going to make me buy a Zune over an iPod. :)
- aston 18y agoThe new Zune stuff is looking really good right now. Like better than iPod + iTunes good.
- sunkencity 18y agoJust because apple sux there's no reason to go to microsoft. That's even worse. There are linux players that are pretty good. I think what's changing is that apple has always been as evil as microsoft. Only with much better PR. They are slipping now because there are new demands for openness which they fail to handle.
- dcurtis 18y agoYou're kidding right? Bash Apple all you want, but you have to admit that they create the best user experiences of any company around. Microsoft has proven for twenty years that it is incapable of creating a good user experience.
- aston 18y agoWell, having tried both, I probably have a better perspective on the matter. However, I'll defer to authority: http://gizmodo.com/5050410/microsoft-beats-apples-itunes-genius-with-mixview http://gizmodo.com/5050410/microsoft-beats-apples-itunes-gen...
- mroman 18y agoYes, serious, I am getting a Creative Zen Stone Plus right soon . . . Zunes suck :) I believe in talking with my wallet when it comes to companies. Buying responsibly is one of the things we can all do.
- rbanffy 18y agoThat's more or less what I do. Many of my toys are Apple, but I buy my more important stuff elsewhere. As much as I would love to be able to use a Mac for my work, OSX is just not Unix-ish enough for me.
- jimm 18y agoIn what ways? I have used OSX at work for years. It is plenty "Unix-ish" for me, and I've been using *nix for twenty-five years.
- rbanffy 18y agoFirst, there is this weird thing of programs in the */bin folders versus application structures in .app directories. The next problem is the Terminal - Even xterm is more comfortable to work with, specially when you have a three-button mouse. Then there is the less than stellar X support (I always had lots of problems piping X clients from a beefier computer to my Mac). I also dislike the fact many settings are stored not in files under /etc, but in a database. And, finally, there is no package manager (but that's not a non-Unix thing, it's more a non-Linux thing). For those reasons, I prefer a Debian-based OS. I keep reading OpenSolaris has a nice package manager that can do rollbacks and may consider it in the future. As for OSX, it's not for me.
- iamdave 18y agoI was planning on buying an iPod next month with a pay raise, but after all of this stuff from Apple, I'm really starting to lose my admiration for the company. I miss when Apple was fringe.
- ashu 18y agoRelax! People are just regurgitating the same stuff over and over again. And it is easy to get worked up by reading (intentional and unintentional) inflammatory remarks. If you like the product and think it makes sense for you, buy it.
- mroman 18y agoWell, this was the final straw for me . . . it wasn't just this, this is now a pattern on their part, and I am taking my business elsewhere because of it.
- iamdave 18y agoIt has nothing to do with people rehashing the same details over and over. It's has everything to do with Apple's actions with the things people are talking about. I don't like their tactics, and I don't like Apple putting their foot in developer's mouths by saying "we're going to make the decision on whether or not someone gets confused by our application versus yours" and then trying to silence anyone who says "I disagree".
- axod 18y agoThe confusing part for me, is "What bit was unexpected?" If you develop for a controlled platform which has an approval process, you have risks. End of story. You don't call any shots, the owner of the platform - Apple - does. As an Apple consumer, I just don't care, and I'm sure the vast majority are the same. When Apple starts degrading the users experience, people will care. It certainly is getting very boring to read. Essentially 2 stories have been posted umpteen times now. 1). Apple uses NDAs. 2). Apple rejects some apps from the store.
- pavelludiq 18y agoSometimes it feels lonely being an open source advocate, but reading this, there was a smirk on my face, and my first thought was "Told them so". I love it when people suffer for trusting big companies, its like their own fault, big co's are evil by definition, you should know better than to trust them. You con use their products, but trusting them, or even worse, to love them? In the expression "common sense", people tend to hear only the "common" part, the "sense" part is more important!
- sovande 18y agoidiot
- pavelludiq 18y agoI assume that you couldn't find anything wrong with my post, so you attacked my personality instead.Your point is valid thou, surrounded by all the smart people in HN i feel kind of dumb. But my mental abilities are off topic.
- jon_dahl 18y agoI wouldn't go as far as what you're saying, but having only been an Apple user for 4 years (and a wannabe iPhone developer for 6 months), this was an eye-opening experience to me. I assumed that Microsoft was "evil" and Apple was "good". But it's far more complex than that. If this is how Apple treats developers, they deserve to lose them.
- axod 18y agoBecause they have an NDA? Call me mad but maybe you're over-reacting a smidgin.
- mroman 18y agoBecause they are systematically violating the spirit of many freedoms they have benefited from, the Mach Kernel being a good example of freedom they continue to benefit from.
- axod 18y agoYou're being serious here? I do hope this current wave of Anti-Apple hate-fests is short lived. Violating the spirit? They're acting in their own, and their customers best interests - no news here. There are 2 news stories - 1. They use NDAs, 2. They reject some apps. This is really just being blown out of all proportion.
- mroman 18y agoYes I am being serious. Hate fest? Personally, I have simply expressed the decision I have made as a consumer in reaction to actions I find offensive by a company. I am also acting in my own best interests, as I have no interest in purchasing products from a company that engages in the sort of tactics we have been seeing lately. Please do elaborate on how their tactics are safeguarding the best interests of their customers, I truly fail to see how. Now, as far as this being blown out of proportion, well, going by that standard, hey, what's an EULA by MSFT? They are just "acting in their own, and their customers best interests", right?