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I have no issues with religious people. I do however have issues with "missionary" types popping up around people who are vulnerable, trying to convince them wi

I have no issues with religious people. I do however have issues with "missionary" types popping up around people who are vulnerable, trying to convince them with completely baseless claims of wellness.

AussieWog93 4y ago
Do you have a problem with secular psychologists offering help to people in need? People that have gone through horrible circumstances can, and often do, benefit greatly from the moral certainty that religion provides.
- netizen-936824 4y ago
  Secular psychologists don't ask you to believe in deities for them to work
- pixl97 4y ago
  Which morality is that? Individuals love to look at individual bits of morality in said books in a choose your own adventure exploration. As much as the moral certainty says be nice to others, it will also contain many bits that are highly questionable and would deeply conflict with others views. In general secular psychologists don't come with the violent historical baggage that religions do.
  - AussieWog93 4y ago
    >Which morality is that? Who cares? It gets drug addicts clean and criminals reformed.
    - pixl97 4y ago
      And turns them in to extremists that attack and kill others? It turns out there are many cares in which system of morality one chooses.
      - AussieWog93 4y ago
        >And turns them in to extremists that attack and kill others? I'd be curious to see the stats on that.
- elteto 4y ago
  There is no more moral certainty in religion than on the Sunday paper.
_gabe_ 4y ago
Considering the vast majority of people who have overcome addictions with the help of religion and a religious community, "completely baseless claims of wellness" is pretty exaggerated no?
- confidantlake 4y ago
  Any citation on the vast majority of people who have overcome convictions have done it with religion? I don't think court ordered AA really counts.
  - _gabe_ 4y ago
    This seems pretty interesting https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6759672/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6759672/ . I didn't read the full paper, but based off the introduction it seems to be a study of how religion helps people overcome addition.
    - confidantlake 4y ago
      The study was done by someone from the Institute for Studies of Religion. I am not convinced.
SnowHill9902 4y ago
My comment was in no way missionary. In fact I didn’t even mention one specific religion and suggested that you investigate your ancestors instead and find your path.

AussieWog93 4y ago

Do you have a problem with secular psychologists offering help to people in need? People that have gone through horrible circumstances can, and often do, benefit greatly from the moral certainty that religion provides.

netizen-936824 4y ago
Secular psychologists don't ask you to believe in deities for them to work
pixl97 4y ago
Which morality is that? Individuals love to look at individual bits of morality in said books in a choose your own adventure exploration. As much as the moral certainty says be nice to others, it will also contain many bits that are highly questionable and would deeply conflict with others views. In general secular psychologists don't come with the violent historical baggage that religions do.
- AussieWog93 4y ago
  >Which morality is that? Who cares? It gets drug addicts clean and criminals reformed.
  - pixl97 4y ago
    And turns them in to extremists that attack and kill others? It turns out there are many cares in which system of morality one chooses.
    - AussieWog93 4y ago
      >And turns them in to extremists that attack and kill others? I'd be curious to see the stats on that.
elteto 4y ago
There is no more moral certainty in religion than on the Sunday paper.

_gabe_ 4y ago

Considering the vast majority of people who have overcome addictions with the help of religion and a religious community, "completely baseless claims of wellness" is pretty exaggerated no?

confidantlake 4y ago
Any citation on the vast majority of people who have overcome convictions have done it with religion? I don't think court ordered AA really counts.
- _gabe_ 4y ago
  This seems pretty interesting https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6759672/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6759672/ . I didn't read the full paper, but based off the introduction it seems to be a study of how religion helps people overcome addition.
  - confidantlake 4y ago
    The study was done by someone from the Institute for Studies of Religion. I am not convinced.

SnowHill9902 4y ago

My comment was in no way missionary. In fact I didn’t even mention one specific religion and suggested that you investigate your ancestors instead and find your path.