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> Religious scholars have actually been the best psychologists Any sources that will back this claim? Oh wait, you don't need facts. Do you give this sort of u
by kanonieer 4y ago
> Religious scholars have actually been the best psychologists
Any sources that will back this claim? Oh wait, you don't need facts. Do you give this sort of unsolicited religious advice to everyone or do you specifically choose people who are troubled?
- 4gotunameagain 4y agoWeird approach to attack the substance of this sentence, since psychology is the most vague of sciences.
- kanonieer 4y agoThere's no substance in the sentence I quoted. That's what I pointed out. I haven't expressed any opinions regarding psychology. > since psychology is the most vague of sciences But since you make this claim, we can talk about it. So what's your advice? See religious scholars instead of board certified psychologists?
- 4gotunameagain 4y agoMy advice is to keep an open mind to the possibility of someone having some level of wisdom without having an official degree™ And yes, I used the word wisdom on purpose :)
- Sholmesy 4y agoTo be fair, the parent made the claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and all that.
- WHA8m 4y agoDepends on how you understand 'science'. I wouldn't describe empirical science as 'vague'. It doesn't aim for the core of a thing like other fields do. I mean, things are changing, but the goal for most psychologists is to help people.
- bowsamic 4y agoUnnecessarily aggressive and rude. This just reads like you feel superior to religious people
- kanonieer 4y agoI have no issues with religious people. I do however have issues with "missionary" types popping up around people who are vulnerable, trying to convince them with completely baseless claims of wellness.
- AussieWog93 4y agoDo you have a problem with secular psychologists offering help to people in need? People that have gone through horrible circumstances can, and often do, benefit greatly from the moral certainty that religion provides.
- netizen-936824 4y agoSecular psychologists don't ask you to believe in deities for them to work
- pixl97 4y agoWhich morality is that? Individuals love to look at individual bits of morality in said books in a choose your own adventure exploration. As much as the moral certainty says be nice to others, it will also contain many bits that are highly questionable and would deeply conflict with others views. In general secular psychologists don't come with the violent historical baggage that religions do.
- AussieWog93 4y ago>Which morality is that? Who cares? It gets drug addicts clean and criminals reformed.
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- d_tr 4y agoThey are just stating their opinion in an 100% neutral way. You are free to ignore it. People give "unsolicited advice" here all the time. It is a forum where people post things for others to read. Why do people get so easily upset whenever the word "religion" is displayed, heard or even implied?
- WHA8m 4y agoReligion is quite a stirring theme, don't you think? I try really hard to avoid getting triggered (meant in a neutral way). It's easy to repress something, but that's not the point - people turn cynical when this happens and it just postpones the problem. One have to go deeper to really let go.
- AussieWog93 4y ago>Any sources that will back this claim? Oh wait, you don't need facts. Do you give this sort of unsolicited religious advice to everyone or do you specifically choose people who are troubled? I mean, there's a fairly strong Darwinistic argument for the validity of certain religions. Very few belief systems have survived a hostile environment for anywhere near as long as the big religions. If religious belief systems are "wrong" (in the sense of being useful for navigating the world, not in the sense of satisfying certain conditions of symbolic logic and reasoning), then why have these religions triumphed over secularism time and time again? I'd still consider myself an atheist, but even then I'd be careful to be so dismissive of belief systems that have proven themselves over the course of millennia to be incredibly powerful, enlightening and enriching.
- WHA8m 4y agoAfter reading through all the Dune books, I built up quite some awe for the catholic church. I'm not a believer, but this is fascinating how such an institution can survive for such a long time. I'm really wondering what happed behind closed doors or just things that we don't know that they pulled off to keep power. This is not meant as a critique.
- moolcool 4y ago> I mean, there's a fairly strong Darwinistic argument for the validity of certain religions I always find it ironic when the "Facts and Reason" branch of atheism pretends that we would all be driving flying cars in a peaceful utopia if it weren't for pesky religion.
- drcongo 4y ago> why have these religions triumphed over secularism time and time again I'm intrigued to understand your definition of "triumphed", as given the rest of the post I'm assuming you're not referring to the genocide of non-believers, which is, of course, precisely how the major religions achieved such longevity.
- paskozdilar 4y agoJust because something is good for the group, doesn't mean it's good for an individual.
- SnowHill9902 4y agoIf you read psychological works by ancient religious scholars you’ll understand. They delve extremely deeply and insightfully inside one’s soul. True: they didn’t use Chi-squared tests so you’ll not find that. But have you actually read anything of this?
- pixl97 4y agoYou're making an assumption that 'they understood'. Humans have a lot of insight, but at the end of the day a deep understanding of everything is mathematically impossible. How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Nihilism.
- bogdanoff_2 4y ago>psychological works by ancient religious scholars Could you recommend some?
- SnowHill9902 4y agoI don’t know your background but the Midrash.