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Have to disagree here. Companies do cold outreach and purchase leads all the time. From my experience as long as you clean your list, schedule batch delivery, p

Have to disagree here. Companies do cold outreach and purchase leads all the time. From my experience as long as you clean your list, schedule batch delivery, personalize and comply with the CAN-SPAM At, ESP's will not block you.

albertgoeswoof 4y ago
They should though. It's illegal in the EU/UK. However most ESPs won't block you unless it has an impact on them, they're getting paid per email sent, spam or not.
chrismorgan 4y ago
Just because people do something doesn’t mean they should. In that, I focus on what you might call ethics. But as for the legality aspect: Through most of the civilised world (at a minimum, those that I know of definitely: AU, NZ, all EU, UK, CA), sending unsolicited commercial messages at all is illegal, with very little in the way of exception or subtlety. The USA’s CAN-SPAM Act is the outlier, unusually permissive, by being largely opt-out rather than opt-in like everyone else. (And frankly it’s not at all uncommon for the USA to be an outlier in a bad way among first-world countries.) And taking the legality aspects further, it’s common for people to ignore restrictive laws that aren’t being particularly seriously enforced, and spam legislation is often like that around the globe. Just because lots of people are doing it doesn’t even mean it’s legal.
- traceroute66 4y ago
  I agree, in the civilised world, UCE is spam and there is little to no scope for "grey areas". For example, the ICO (UK) has the following to say: You must be very careful before using bought-in lists for recorded calls, texts or emails. You can only use them if all the people on the list specifically consented to receive that type of message from you. Generic consent covering any third party will not be enough.[1] [1] https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-pecr/electronic-and-telephone-marketing/using-marketing-lists/ https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-pecr/electroni...
2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago
Unsolicited commercial email are outright illegal in many parts of Europe, and unless there's clear prior consent selling/buying personal data is a GDPR violation. If you use a purchased list and end up getting a bunch of spam complaints, and you tell your ESP you bought the list, then I promise you they won't be very happy.
29083011397778 4y ago
If you cold outreach my inbox, I'll report you just like I have others. That shit does not fly in Canada [0]. Of note on that page: > The simplest definition of spam is unsolicited email. It's not just Europe that you'll get called on this. [0] https://www.fightspam.gc.ca/eic/site/030.nsf/eng/home https://www.fightspam.gc.ca/eic/site/030.nsf/eng/home

albertgoeswoof 4y ago

They should though. It's illegal in the EU/UK. However most ESPs won't block you unless it has an impact on them, they're getting paid per email sent, spam or not.

chrismorgan 4y ago

Just because people do something doesn’t mean they should. In that, I focus on what you might call ethics. But as for the legality aspect: Through most of the civilised world (at a minimum, those that I know of definitely: AU, NZ, all EU, UK, CA), sending unsolicited commercial messages at all is illegal, with very little in the way of exception or subtlety. The USA’s CAN-SPAM Act is the outlier, unusually permissive, by being largely opt-out rather than opt-in like everyone else. (And frankly it’s not at all uncommon for the USA to be an outlier in a bad way among first-world countries.) And taking the legality aspects further, it’s common for people to ignore restrictive laws that aren’t being particularly seriously enforced, and spam legislation is often like that around the globe. Just because lots of people are doing it doesn’t even mean it’s legal.

traceroute66 4y ago
I agree, in the civilised world, UCE is spam and there is little to no scope for "grey areas". For example, the ICO (UK) has the following to say: You must be very careful before using bought-in lists for recorded calls, texts or emails. You can only use them if all the people on the list specifically consented to receive that type of message from you. Generic consent covering any third party will not be enough.[1] [1] https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-pecr/electronic-and-telephone-marketing/using-marketing-lists/ https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-pecr/electroni...

2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago

Unsolicited commercial email are outright illegal in many parts of Europe, and unless there's clear prior consent selling/buying personal data is a GDPR violation. If you use a purchased list and end up getting a bunch of spam complaints, and you tell your ESP you bought the list, then I promise you they won't be very happy.

29083011397778 4y ago

If you cold outreach my inbox, I'll report you just like I have others. That shit does not fly in Canada [0]. Of note on that page: > The simplest definition of spam is unsolicited email. It's not just Europe that you'll get called on this. [0] https://www.fightspam.gc.ca/eic/site/030.nsf/eng/home https://www.fightspam.gc.ca/eic/site/030.nsf/eng/home