I understand this is a heated subject, but please don't accuse people on HN of "ignoring reality". It's enough to just state the facts and make your argument pe

I understand this is a heated subject, but please don't accuse people on HN of "ignoring reality". It's enough to just state the facts and make your argument persuasively; I can't speak for everyone, but I can say that many open minded people here who are indeed willing to change their mind when presented with strong evidence.