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I wonder if they're afraid Lee might sue them if they did or something Edit: Or maybe they don't want to drag the whole drama into this celebration again :) Li

I wonder if they're afraid Lee might sue them if they did or something Edit: Or maybe they don't want to drag the whole drama into this celebration again :) Libera moved on so quickly that even after 2 months it felt like everything was in the distant past and the community was just as it had always been. But then it would have been better to not elaborate on the history. I agree it's a bit weird like this.

RL_Quine 4y ago
> This time, instead of this awful cycle of disempowerment of the people, it's time that the people of the world, together, plant the flag of the power of the people on the Internet. The internet changed everything and leveled the playing field. This cannot be taken away. By his own manifesto he wouldn't do that, and he wouldn't want to be a hypocrite.
- Doxin 4y ago
  > he wouldn't want to be a hypocrite I'm not sure that's actually true. Clearly he very much liked taking power away from a specific set of people. The guy really likes constructing this narrative where he's some sort of free speech savior, but when you look at his actions the opposite seems true. E.g. during the switch to libera if you had any mention of libera in the channel topic on freenode you'd end up with all the channel operators banned and replaced with friends of Lee. That's hardly a pro-free-speech thing to do.
  - RL_Quine 4y ago
    We need to standardize sarcasm punctuation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_punctuation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_punctuation
    - Doxin 4y ago
      Oh whoops. The sarcasm seems obvious in hindsight. Apologies :P
      - dane-pgp 4y ago
        "Oh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention."
    - phoe-krk 4y ago
      Just realized taht "/s" is a de-facto standard recognized almost everywhere in the international tech world - perhaps it would be viable to submit a RFC for it that can be referenced? Plenty of time before next year's April.
- phoe-krk 4y ago
  > By his own manifesto he wouldn't do that Except, well, he did.
- na85 4y ago
  He's a chump and only "believes" in that stuff insofar as it lets him perpetuate his savior complex.
- doctor_eval 4y ago
  "promises only bind those who believe them" - JL Gassee
  - glandium 4y ago
    FWIW, it's a very common saying in French. I wouldn't attribute it to Gassée. Edit: googling it in French attributes it to Henri Queuille.
    - doctor_eval 4y ago
      Thanks. JLG attributed it to politicians, I think, but I was (a) too lazy to find the source, but also (b) don’t speak French. I just didn’t want to appear to be taking credit for such a sharp observation.
      - glandium 4y ago
        Jacques Chirac famously used a variant of it.
grvgr 4y ago
He can try, it will not end well. https://twitter.com/grvgr/status/1526971545356214275 https://twitter.com/grvgr/status/1526971545356214275
- tentacleuno 4y ago
  > Hello (do not) @buyvpnservice from (dirty) @Kape_com > I hope you’re enjoying the ride. > You are now at KAPUT, you are booked until the final destination, FUBAR. > Please fasten your seatbelts and return your tray table to its full upright and locked position. I'll be honest: I have absolutely no idea what this means. It's obvious the @buyvpnservice is meant to be a play on "buy VPN service", but everything else looks like mindless mumbling to me. Could you explain it, please?
  - grvgr 4y ago
    Hello, thank you for taking the time to read. If you read my tweets since December 21, 2021 (<20 total) you will get some more context. I worked for PIA VPN for 5 years before it was bought by Kape. They're scammers.
    - dspillett 4y ago
      >* They're scammers.* Given all the not-false-but-absolutely-misleading advertising I see/hear for VPN providers¹, I suspect they are all scammers or as near to as makes no odds. [1] including in sponsored segments in the output of technical influenzas who don't help their reputation in my view by parroting the words themselves instead of letting the sponsor do it, or by being more choosy about exactly what they are willing to parrot
      - grvgr 4y ago
        You are correct, scammers is too mild a term to describe criminal racketeers like Lee.
- blibble 4y ago
  last time he even threatened them with legal action he managed to get them to transfer the domain name and everything else to him (so I was told)

RL_Quine 4y ago

> This time, instead of this awful cycle of disempowerment of the people, it's time that the people of the world, together, plant the flag of the power of the people on the Internet. The internet changed everything and leveled the playing field. This cannot be taken away. By his own manifesto he wouldn't do that, and he wouldn't want to be a hypocrite.

Doxin 4y ago
> he wouldn't want to be a hypocrite I'm not sure that's actually true. Clearly he very much liked taking power away from a specific set of people. The guy really likes constructing this narrative where he's some sort of free speech savior, but when you look at his actions the opposite seems true. E.g. during the switch to libera if you had any mention of libera in the channel topic on freenode you'd end up with all the channel operators banned and replaced with friends of Lee. That's hardly a pro-free-speech thing to do.
- RL_Quine 4y ago
  We need to standardize sarcasm punctuation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_punctuation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_punctuation
  - Doxin 4y ago
    Oh whoops. The sarcasm seems obvious in hindsight. Apologies :P
    - dane-pgp 4y ago
      "Oh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention."
  - phoe-krk 4y ago
    Just realized taht "/s" is a de-facto standard recognized almost everywhere in the international tech world - perhaps it would be viable to submit a RFC for it that can be referenced? Plenty of time before next year's April.
phoe-krk 4y ago
> By his own manifesto he wouldn't do that Except, well, he did.
na85 4y ago
He's a chump and only "believes" in that stuff insofar as it lets him perpetuate his savior complex.
doctor_eval 4y ago
"promises only bind those who believe them" - JL Gassee
- glandium 4y ago
  FWIW, it's a very common saying in French. I wouldn't attribute it to Gassée. Edit: googling it in French attributes it to Henri Queuille.
  - doctor_eval 4y ago
    Thanks. JLG attributed it to politicians, I think, but I was (a) too lazy to find the source, but also (b) don’t speak French. I just didn’t want to appear to be taking credit for such a sharp observation.
    - glandium 4y ago
      Jacques Chirac famously used a variant of it.

grvgr 4y ago

He can try, it will not end well. https://twitter.com/grvgr/status/1526971545356214275 https://twitter.com/grvgr/status/1526971545356214275

tentacleuno 4y ago
> Hello (do not) @buyvpnservice from (dirty) @Kape_com > I hope you’re enjoying the ride. > You are now at KAPUT, you are booked until the final destination, FUBAR. > Please fasten your seatbelts and return your tray table to its full upright and locked position. I'll be honest: I have absolutely no idea what this means. It's obvious the @buyvpnservice is meant to be a play on "buy VPN service", but everything else looks like mindless mumbling to me. Could you explain it, please?
- grvgr 4y ago
  Hello, thank you for taking the time to read. If you read my tweets since December 21, 2021 (<20 total) you will get some more context. I worked for PIA VPN for 5 years before it was bought by Kape. They're scammers.
  - dspillett 4y ago
    >* They're scammers.* Given all the not-false-but-absolutely-misleading advertising I see/hear for VPN providers¹, I suspect they are all scammers or as near to as makes no odds. [1] including in sponsored segments in the output of technical influenzas who don't help their reputation in my view by parroting the words themselves instead of letting the sponsor do it, or by being more choosy about exactly what they are willing to parrot
    - grvgr 4y ago
      You are correct, scammers is too mild a term to describe criminal racketeers like Lee.
blibble 4y ago
last time he even threatened them with legal action he managed to get them to transfer the domain name and everything else to him (so I was told)