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For planning: The DC shooters meticulously planned their efforts over decades and fitted out a vehicle. The Waukesha perpetrator spent years describing in detai

For planning: The DC shooters meticulously planned their efforts over decades and fitted out a vehicle. The Waukesha perpetrator spent years describing in detail how much he disliked white people and all the ways he was going to kill them. For mental illness: The Buffalo shooter, in his Discord conversations, admitted to permanently considering suicide for days at a time. He called himself a communist and an eco-terrorist in his manifesto. The DC shooters were determined to not be mentally unwell.

orf 4y ago
The DC attacks showed no regard for race, gender or age. The Waukesha attacker is clearly mentally ill, and has a history of mental illness. The Buffalo shooter did try and commit suicide. That was the attack. But he decided to do so in a clearly racially aggravated way, above and beyond any of the other examples you listed. He did it with forethought, planned online communities with both outright and subtle racist members, and live-streamed it. If you cannot see the difference between this and the other incidents you listed, that’s the “ignoring reality” bit I mentioned earlier. And FYI calling yourself an eco-terrorist isn’t on-par with saying lizard people run the world and FEMA run death camps. When it comes to mental illness people fall into a spectrum.
- monsecchris 4y ago
  > The DC attacks showed no regard for race, gender or age. "Muhammad's goal in Phase One was to kill six white people a day for 30 days." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks Conversations end when one side completely disregards reality.
  - orf 4y ago
    > Conversations end when one side completely disregards reality. Indeed, because in reality their victims where white, black and hispanic.
    - monsecchris 4y ago
      The Buffalo shooters victims also included victims that were not of the targeted ethnicity. Why are you so desperate to create some kind of twisted criteria to include some particular racially motivated attacks and not others?
- Reubend 4y ago
  I understand this is a heated subject, but please don't accuse people on HN of "ignoring reality". It's enough to just state the facts and make your argument persuasively; I can't speak for everyone, but I can say that many open minded people here who are indeed willing to change their mind when presented with strong evidence.

orf 4y ago

The DC attacks showed no regard for race, gender or age. The Waukesha attacker is clearly mentally ill, and has a history of mental illness. The Buffalo shooter did try and commit suicide. That was the attack. But he decided to do so in a clearly racially aggravated way, above and beyond any of the other examples you listed. He did it with forethought, planned online communities with both outright and subtle racist members, and live-streamed it. If you cannot see the difference between this and the other incidents you listed, that’s the “ignoring reality” bit I mentioned earlier. And FYI calling yourself an eco-terrorist isn’t on-par with saying lizard people run the world and FEMA run death camps. When it comes to mental illness people fall into a spectrum.

monsecchris 4y ago
> The DC attacks showed no regard for race, gender or age. "Muhammad's goal in Phase One was to kill six white people a day for 30 days." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks Conversations end when one side completely disregards reality.
- orf 4y ago
  > Conversations end when one side completely disregards reality. Indeed, because in reality their victims where white, black and hispanic.
  - monsecchris 4y ago
    The Buffalo shooters victims also included victims that were not of the targeted ethnicity. Why are you so desperate to create some kind of twisted criteria to include some particular racially motivated attacks and not others?
Reubend 4y ago
I understand this is a heated subject, but please don't accuse people on HN of "ignoring reality". It's enough to just state the facts and make your argument persuasively; I can't speak for everyone, but I can say that many open minded people here who are indeed willing to change their mind when presented with strong evidence.