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I don't mind admitting Google employs people far smarter than I will ever be, but they're creating and maintaining the largest global spying apparatus in histor

I don't mind admitting Google employs people far smarter than I will ever be, but they're creating and maintaining the largest global spying apparatus in history. Maybe we should be learning from people who're actually making the world a better place.

reactjavascript 4y ago
Teachers, nurses, and janitors
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erung88 4y ago
They make you feel like they're smart but everything is relative. Google cloud is constantly the thrid in the market and significantly leg behind AWS in terms of market share while its CEO was replaced every 2 years so there are definitely smarter people (e.g. AWS engineers) out there.
- verst 4y ago
  Being third in the market is independent from the quality of services IMO. Whether the services are being offered that a lot of businesses need is a different question. The services Google Cloud does offer tend to be well designed but many of them are simply not what established businesses (and their engineering organizations) are accustomed to. Lower marketshare is not a direct consequence of engineering excellence (or an alleged lack thereof). Conversely, simply having more market share doesn't mean AWS services are well engineered and the engineers are smarter (they might be, but you cannot make this claim).
  - erung88 4y ago
    I totally agree the quality of a product may or may not be directly proportional to the market share (e.g. Windows). My previous comment has nothing to do with engineering excellence. I never work at Google nor an expert on Google cloud so I don't know whether Cloud Google is well-designed (and I'm not surprised if it's). There're different ways to measure "smart". My view is that in the cloud computing business there are people smarter than them (at least in terms of market share) so it's perfectly fine that Google Cloud engineers learn from their competitors in terms of engineering, marketing, etc.
- prox 4y ago
  They are only smart in the context of what they are optimizing against. It’s like that for all area’s of an expertise or goal/ideal.
kwertyoowiyop 4y ago
Trust me, they aren’t THAT smart. People I know who work at Google, let’s just say: they often fit a type.
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  There's a (semi)famous Googler in one particular area. I had a buddy who worked with him years ago at a different company and took over a project after he left. There was nothing written after nearly a year - the guy either couldn't or wouldn't code anything, and now he's a well known Googler. Obviously there are extremely talented people there, but there are some bozos mixed in too.
  - kwertyoowiyop 4y ago
    He probably couldn’t be bothered by such mundane work.
- passivate 4y ago
  I know of the famous people that work there, and I don't have anything personal against them. My comment was more directed towards the company. I can't support the way Google and other data mining companies operate. Its such a waste of talent.
rswskg 4y ago
Some are. It's now a giant company and recently partnerships with google bought me into contact with very average developers, gluing things together.

reactjavascript 4y ago

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erung88 4y ago

They make you feel like they're smart but everything is relative. Google cloud is constantly the thrid in the market and significantly leg behind AWS in terms of market share while its CEO was replaced every 2 years so there are definitely smarter people (e.g. AWS engineers) out there.

verst 4y ago
Being third in the market is independent from the quality of services IMO. Whether the services are being offered that a lot of businesses need is a different question. The services Google Cloud does offer tend to be well designed but many of them are simply not what established businesses (and their engineering organizations) are accustomed to. Lower marketshare is not a direct consequence of engineering excellence (or an alleged lack thereof). Conversely, simply having more market share doesn't mean AWS services are well engineered and the engineers are smarter (they might be, but you cannot make this claim).
- erung88 4y ago
  I totally agree the quality of a product may or may not be directly proportional to the market share (e.g. Windows). My previous comment has nothing to do with engineering excellence. I never work at Google nor an expert on Google cloud so I don't know whether Cloud Google is well-designed (and I'm not surprised if it's). There're different ways to measure "smart". My view is that in the cloud computing business there are people smarter than them (at least in terms of market share) so it's perfectly fine that Google Cloud engineers learn from their competitors in terms of engineering, marketing, etc.
prox 4y ago
They are only smart in the context of what they are optimizing against. It’s like that for all area’s of an expertise or goal/ideal.

kwertyoowiyop 4y ago

Trust me, they aren’t THAT smart. People I know who work at Google, let’s just say: they often fit a type.

hotpotamus 4y ago
There's a (semi)famous Googler in one particular area. I had a buddy who worked with him years ago at a different company and took over a project after he left. There was nothing written after nearly a year - the guy either couldn't or wouldn't code anything, and now he's a well known Googler. Obviously there are extremely talented people there, but there are some bozos mixed in too.
- kwertyoowiyop 4y ago
  He probably couldn’t be bothered by such mundane work.
passivate 4y ago
I know of the famous people that work there, and I don't have anything personal against them. My comment was more directed towards the company. I can't support the way Google and other data mining companies operate. Its such a waste of talent.

rswskg 4y ago

Some are. It's now a giant company and recently partnerships with google bought me into contact with very average developers, gluing things together.