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CDC concerned about possible undetected monkeypox spread in U.K

19 points by Anon84 4y ago

ipspam 4y ago
The case cluster in Montreal was discovered by a STI testing clinic. The longest ever recorded chain of community transmission was 6 people. It's not easily spread. It's not considered an STI, but not because it doesnt act exactly like an STI (it does), but because it's also spread in other ways as well. Put it altogether, and the big story here is that Monkeypox is making a run for it as an STI in a population that invented the most successful hookup app ever, Grindr. Except to say that out loud is pretty verboten. Lots of ready to fight Allies out there controlling the messaging on this one right now. They don't even like that public health agencies are giving a special warning to the LGBTQII+ community as that's deemed stigmatization even if it helps that exact community avoid real physical harm.
arglkj3l4g 4y ago
Vecr 4y ago
I really don't understand and don't like how the UK describes Monkeypox. This is from the UK: "Monkeypox is a rare viral infection that does not spread easily between people. It is usually a mild, self-limiting illness, and most people recover within a few weeks. However, severe illness can occur in some people." Yeah, but so is SARS-CoV-2, and the fatality rate per infection of Monkeypox is far higher overall. This is a high threat level pathogen, it needs to be contained before it mutates into something faster spreading. They really should make it so you can get MVA-BN (Jynneos in the US, Imvanex or something like that in Europe) without the massive effort it takes now. If anyone is serious about stopping pandemics, about now in the spread is the time to do it, not after it's in every country in the world. You come in fast, you come in hard, and you stamp it out.
- vosper 4y ago
  > "Monkeypox is a rare viral infection that does not spread easily between people. It is usually a mild, self-limiting illness, and most people recover within a few weeks. However, severe illness can occur in some people." Yeah, but so is SARS-CoV-2 But SARS-CoV-2 does spread easily - that’s why we’re having a pandemic. Or are you mainly referring to the rest of the description?
  - Vecr 4y ago
    I'm referring to the infection fatality rate, Monkeypox is at the very minimum 10 times more fatal per case, probably more like 20 to 30 times. Not taking into account differences in immunity or medical care, of course.
    - ipspam 4y ago
      The world record so far is a 6 chain transmission among humans. It's very hard to spread. That's why no one is worried. The thing you are missing that no one is saying out loud is that this time it is spreading as an STD, and there is only a finite amount of time between infectiousness and presentation of symptoms. It's not applicable to most people, especially in the west where we have very few daily intimate interactions with the people around us.
- pjc50 4y ago
  I'm sure someone will be on TV to argue that the monkeys should have exercised personal responsibility.
froglets 4y ago
This article doesn’t say whether the people were in contact with pet prairie dogs, but I think that’s how people usually catch monkey pox. We have a case in Massachusetts too right now and prairie dogs were banned as pets here because of an outbreak 20 or so years ago.
Proven 4y ago

19 points by Anon84 4y ago

The case cluster in Montreal was discovered by a STI testing clinic. The longest ever recorded chain of community transmission was 6 people. It's not easily spread. It's not considered an STI, but not because it doesnt act exactly like an STI (it does), but because it's also spread in other ways as well. Put it altogether, and the big story here is that Monkeypox is making a run for it as an STI in a population that invented the most successful hookup app ever, Grindr. Except to say that out loud is pretty verboten. Lots of ready to fight Allies out there controlling the messaging on this one right now. They don't even like that public health agencies are giving a special warning to the LGBTQII+ community as that's deemed stigmatization even if it helps that exact community avoid real physical harm.

arglkj3l4g 4y ago

Vecr 4y ago

I really don't understand and don't like how the UK describes Monkeypox. This is from the UK: "Monkeypox is a rare viral infection that does not spread easily between people. It is usually a mild, self-limiting illness, and most people recover within a few weeks. However, severe illness can occur in some people." Yeah, but so is SARS-CoV-2, and the fatality rate per infection of Monkeypox is far higher overall. This is a high threat level pathogen, it needs to be contained before it mutates into something faster spreading. They really should make it so you can get MVA-BN (Jynneos in the US, Imvanex or something like that in Europe) without the massive effort it takes now. If anyone is serious about stopping pandemics, about now in the spread is the time to do it, not after it's in every country in the world. You come in fast, you come in hard, and you stamp it out.

vosper 4y ago
> "Monkeypox is a rare viral infection that does not spread easily between people. It is usually a mild, self-limiting illness, and most people recover within a few weeks. However, severe illness can occur in some people." Yeah, but so is SARS-CoV-2 But SARS-CoV-2 does spread easily - that’s why we’re having a pandemic. Or are you mainly referring to the rest of the description?
- Vecr 4y ago
  I'm referring to the infection fatality rate, Monkeypox is at the very minimum 10 times more fatal per case, probably more like 20 to 30 times. Not taking into account differences in immunity or medical care, of course.
  - ipspam 4y ago
    The world record so far is a 6 chain transmission among humans. It's very hard to spread. That's why no one is worried. The thing you are missing that no one is saying out loud is that this time it is spreading as an STD, and there is only a finite amount of time between infectiousness and presentation of symptoms. It's not applicable to most people, especially in the west where we have very few daily intimate interactions with the people around us.
pjc50 4y ago
I'm sure someone will be on TV to argue that the monkeys should have exercised personal responsibility.

froglets 4y ago

This article doesn’t say whether the people were in contact with pet prairie dogs, but I think that’s how people usually catch monkey pox. We have a case in Massachusetts too right now and prairie dogs were banned as pets here because of an outbreak 20 or so years ago.

Proven 4y ago