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Yeah, didn't gorhill already say that uBlock Origin will never be ported to Manifest v3 due to how much he'd have to cripple it? That means that very soon all

Yeah, didn't gorhill already say that uBlock Origin will never be ported to Manifest v3 due to how much he'd have to cripple it? That means that very soon all Chrome (and Edge) users will no longer have uBlock Origin, and Firefox will be the only way to run it officially. This could be a pretty decent value prop for Firefox (bigger than the random features Mozilla has been pushing recently IMO)... Although I'm sure the majority of less technical Chrome users will just switch to whatever gimped, Chrome-sanctioned declarativeNetRequest ad-blocking extensions spring up to fill the void.

SemanticStrengh 4y ago
> didn't gorhill already say that uBlock Origin will never be ported to Manifest v3 due to how much he'd have to cripple it? I don't think that is up to date
xmprt 4y ago
> That means that very soon all Chrome (and Edge) users will no longer have uBlock Origin, and Firefox will be the only way to run it officially. This sounds like a pro in my mind. I made the switch to Firefox soon after MV3 was announced. I don't regret it. I'm hoping more people follow in my footsteps and hopefully Chromium doesn't have such a stranglehold on web standards.
- folkrav 4y ago
  The typical answer I get when I say this is "but Firefox is too slow". I don't experience the issue, but that's pretty much always what I get told. No idea.
  - jackson1442 4y ago
    Firefox generally runs worse on Google properties like Youtube and Google Meet. I had to switch to Chrome because the performance was so poor and my last job used Meet as our conference tool.
    - Zardoz84 4y ago
      Indeed, Google owned sites run worse on Firefox. But not too worse. I watch YouTube channels everyday on Firefox without issues.
    - maccard 4y ago
      While my experience is not the same (i use gmail, meet and youtube daily on Firefox with no issues), there's an easy solution to that - use Chrome for meet when you need to and use Firefox for all of your other browsing?
      - jackson1442 4y ago
        You describe it as an easy solution, but the easier solution is to just use one browser. Only one history record (which I use) and one set of plugins to maintain. I've switched back to Firefox now that I no longer work somewhere that uses Google products. I think New Meet performs a lot better in FF now, but Old Meet (with the gray action bar) had awful performance when I used it. The performance wasn't great in Chrome either, but it wasn't show-stoppingly slow like it was in FF.
      - piaste 4y ago
        +1 I do that on mobile, I have a heavily locked-down Fennec F-Droid for random browsing but it's awful to use Google websites from it, so I keep Bromite around only for checking my old GMail / GDrive accounts (I've moved to other providers but they're useful backups). Doesn't make much sense to bother blocking Google Analytics and friends when I'm already using a Google website. On desktop I don't have that problem, Librewolf works fine with Google websites for me, and I have a container set up for them. At work we're on the MS stack so instead of Chrome I keep Edge as my other browser for Azure, Office, and Teams. I have to say, the vertical tab implementation from Edge is one of the best I've seen. Vivaldi's are fancier but they're not nearly as smooth, and Firefox's Tree-Style Tabs extension can't even compare.
  - thayne 4y ago
    It used to be true. But now firefox and chrome are pretty comparable. Although YMMV depending on the specific site. And sometimes it isn't because a chrome is inherently faster, but because a site has been heavily optimized targeting chrome, because chrome has more market share.
    - mort96 4y ago
      It's still true. They probably render websites and run JS at comparable speeds, but everything in the UI is snappier with Chrome. It just feels like every interaction with Firefox has 50ms more delay than Chrome.
  - faeriechangling 4y ago
    It won't be anymore once effective adblocking is kneecapped.
- sharken 4y ago
  Many users will probably switch in June 2023, as Chrome will no longer run Manifest v2 by that time. That will be the true test of Googles changes, if they don't come up with something else before then. https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/mv3/mv2-sunset/ https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/mv3/mv2-sunset/
  - lapcat 4y ago
    > Many users will probably switch in June 2023, as Chrome will no longer run Manifest v2 by that time. That's January 2023 for most users. You can only run v2 past January using an enterprise policy.
t0suj4 4y ago
This looks like great opportunity for malicious extensions as desperate users will be looking for reliable ad blockers for their Chrome

SemanticStrengh 4y ago

> didn't gorhill already say that uBlock Origin will never be ported to Manifest v3 due to how much he'd have to cripple it? I don't think that is up to date

xmprt 4y ago

> That means that very soon all Chrome (and Edge) users will no longer have uBlock Origin, and Firefox will be the only way to run it officially. This sounds like a pro in my mind. I made the switch to Firefox soon after MV3 was announced. I don't regret it. I'm hoping more people follow in my footsteps and hopefully Chromium doesn't have such a stranglehold on web standards.

folkrav 4y ago
The typical answer I get when I say this is "but Firefox is too slow". I don't experience the issue, but that's pretty much always what I get told. No idea.
- jackson1442 4y ago
  Firefox generally runs worse on Google properties like Youtube and Google Meet. I had to switch to Chrome because the performance was so poor and my last job used Meet as our conference tool.
  - Zardoz84 4y ago
    Indeed, Google owned sites run worse on Firefox. But not too worse. I watch YouTube channels everyday on Firefox without issues.
  - maccard 4y ago
    While my experience is not the same (i use gmail, meet and youtube daily on Firefox with no issues), there's an easy solution to that - use Chrome for meet when you need to and use Firefox for all of your other browsing?
    - jackson1442 4y ago
      You describe it as an easy solution, but the easier solution is to just use one browser. Only one history record (which I use) and one set of plugins to maintain. I've switched back to Firefox now that I no longer work somewhere that uses Google products. I think New Meet performs a lot better in FF now, but Old Meet (with the gray action bar) had awful performance when I used it. The performance wasn't great in Chrome either, but it wasn't show-stoppingly slow like it was in FF.
    - piaste 4y ago
      +1 I do that on mobile, I have a heavily locked-down Fennec F-Droid for random browsing but it's awful to use Google websites from it, so I keep Bromite around only for checking my old GMail / GDrive accounts (I've moved to other providers but they're useful backups). Doesn't make much sense to bother blocking Google Analytics and friends when I'm already using a Google website. On desktop I don't have that problem, Librewolf works fine with Google websites for me, and I have a container set up for them. At work we're on the MS stack so instead of Chrome I keep Edge as my other browser for Azure, Office, and Teams. I have to say, the vertical tab implementation from Edge is one of the best I've seen. Vivaldi's are fancier but they're not nearly as smooth, and Firefox's Tree-Style Tabs extension can't even compare.
- thayne 4y ago
  It used to be true. But now firefox and chrome are pretty comparable. Although YMMV depending on the specific site. And sometimes it isn't because a chrome is inherently faster, but because a site has been heavily optimized targeting chrome, because chrome has more market share.
  - mort96 4y ago
    It's still true. They probably render websites and run JS at comparable speeds, but everything in the UI is snappier with Chrome. It just feels like every interaction with Firefox has 50ms more delay than Chrome.
- faeriechangling 4y ago
  It won't be anymore once effective adblocking is kneecapped.
sharken 4y ago
Many users will probably switch in June 2023, as Chrome will no longer run Manifest v2 by that time. That will be the true test of Googles changes, if they don't come up with something else before then. https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/mv3/mv2-sunset/ https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/mv3/mv2-sunset/
- lapcat 4y ago
  > Many users will probably switch in June 2023, as Chrome will no longer run Manifest v2 by that time. That's January 2023 for most users. You can only run v2 past January using an enterprise policy.

t0suj4 4y ago

This looks like great opportunity for malicious extensions as desperate users will be looking for reliable ad blockers for their Chrome