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Um, people have bad intentions and actions too, not just ideas. You can criticize them for that. > It is a shame in our presently over-defensive culture Over-

Um, people have bad intentions and actions too, not just ideas. You can criticize them for that. > It is a shame in our presently over-defensive culture Over-defensive, or over-hostile... I mean i think the defensiveness has a cause in other people's behavior.

gernb 4y ago
I'm sure there are plenty of people who have bad intentions but these days I seems more common to assume they do when they don't. Usually this is an indirect conclusion. "You're pro local business? You clearly hate others you racist". The 2nd does not follow from the first but the person judgin has assumed bad intentions
- guerrilla 4y ago
  It really depends on what one considers bad and good. People against immigration and helping the poor or workers in general are going to be seen as having bad intentions by many, people for bodily autonomy are going to be seen as having bad intentions by American Christians, Catholics and others, then we have a growing population who just support outright wars of invasion, genocide and ethnic cleansing, so...
  - anamax 4y ago
    > people for bodily autonomy are going to be seen as having bad intentions by American Christians, You mean anti-vaxxers? (My body, my choice, right?) > People against immigration and helping the poor or workers in general are going to be seen as having bad intentions by many And what about people who disagree with what you think "[helps] the poor"?
    - guerrilla 4y ago
      That's the point you seemed to have missed. Value judgements subjective. Read the first sentence of the post again.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  it's more that the intention does not matter compared with its effects. good intention is a defense used to deflect attention from systemic effect
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    No, analysis of intentions are used to prevent effects. If someone says they want to kill al Jews, then we can actually stop them before they have any power to do such a thing.

gernb 4y ago

I'm sure there are plenty of people who have bad intentions but these days I seems more common to assume they do when they don't. Usually this is an indirect conclusion. "You're pro local business? You clearly hate others you racist". The 2nd does not follow from the first but the person judgin has assumed bad intentions

guerrilla 4y ago
It really depends on what one considers bad and good. People against immigration and helping the poor or workers in general are going to be seen as having bad intentions by many, people for bodily autonomy are going to be seen as having bad intentions by American Christians, Catholics and others, then we have a growing population who just support outright wars of invasion, genocide and ethnic cleansing, so...
- anamax 4y ago
  > people for bodily autonomy are going to be seen as having bad intentions by American Christians, You mean anti-vaxxers? (My body, my choice, right?) > People against immigration and helping the poor or workers in general are going to be seen as having bad intentions by many And what about people who disagree with what you think "[helps] the poor"?
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    That's the point you seemed to have missed. Value judgements subjective. Read the first sentence of the post again.
wahnfrieden 4y ago
it's more that the intention does not matter compared with its effects. good intention is a defense used to deflect attention from systemic effect
- guerrilla 4y ago
  No, analysis of intentions are used to prevent effects. If someone says they want to kill al Jews, then we can actually stop them before they have any power to do such a thing.