>I mean in private conversation, not in public discourse, and this is not to their faces but rather behind their back. 0 or never. Even if it were to their fac

>I mean in private conversation, not in public discourse, and this is not to their faces but rather behind their back. 0 or never. Even if it were to their face. You will never achieve your goal using criticism of individuals. This is even true of celebrities or public discourse. You have to hit an exceptional threshold before you can even criticize celebrities. Take Jordan Peterson's recent rule breaking. He needlessly criticized: https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1526279181545390083 https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/15262791815453900... He was even punching down here. In fact the only legitimate criticism here is against JP. He certainly meets the threshold where he has gone too far and should be apologizing. If he doesn't we should be criticizing. 6. "Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world." That's his own damned rule and he's clearly violating it. His sorry not sorry is that he blamed the toxicity of twitter. He's still in the wrong and we should criticize him.