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I'd guess he would have. Jobs cared about professional users, and not just in film, graphic design, and music. Many decisions these past years feel like the com

I'd guess he would have. Jobs cared about professional users, and not just in film, graphic design, and music. Many decisions these past years feel like the company has not seen the need to invest in enterprise users and especially not enterprise fleet management.

jeromegv 4y ago
Jobs cared about professional users but never cared much about enterprise. There's a good quote in this 2010 article: https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-steve-jobs-hates-about-the-enterprise/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-steve-jobs-hates-about-th... >"What I love about the consumer market, that I always hated about the enterprise market, is that we come up with a product, we try to tell everybody about it, and every person votes for themselves. They go 'yes' or 'no,' and if enough of them say 'yes,' we get to come to work tomorrow. That's how it works. It's really simple. With the enterprise market, it's not so simple. The people that use the products don't decide for themselves, and the people that make those decisions sometimes are confused. We love just trying to make the best products in the world for people and having them tell us by how they vote with their wallets whether we're on track or not."
- rovr138 4y ago
  I mean, if they had solutions that compete with what the other market has, then companies can support both. This professional training would help with that. It's not necessarily that things aren't available. Sometimes it's just not having someone that knows how to.
  - colechristensen 4y ago
    The motivations of enterprises and individuals are different. Trying to please both or compromise between them creates worse outcomes for the individual users. The choices you make when interests conflict lowers quality.
- twoWhlsGud 4y ago
  Indeed. And there's another side that we used to discuss - many folks have negative associations with the gear they use at work because of the way they're managed by IT orgs. Compare a Windows box with a heavy-handed AV setup etc with the same tier of hardware with a stock OS install - the stock version is often a lot more responsive/usable. (And obviously the IT dept may have its reasons for locking down, but that's besides the point.) Due to near-dominance of iPhone/iPads, Apple doesn't have a problem getting mindshare these days, so brand familiarity (which could be an offsetting benefit of a stronger enterprise presence) is not much of a problem.
  - massysett 4y ago
    I’m not so sure about this, my Windows at home is a stock one and it randomly inserts junk into my Start menu and comes with crapware. The one I use at work has full-time admins to protect me from this garbage. I bought the Windows box to do only one thing (be essentially a dumb terminal to connect to work) but even using Windows for a task this small is such a bad experience that if I had it to do over I would just spend the extra money and get a Mac Mini.
    - faeriechangling 4y ago
      You need to get Windows Enterprise or Windows Education if you want to dramatically reduce the quantity of bloat that Microsoft flings at you which are $$$.

jeromegv 4y ago

Jobs cared about professional users but never cared much about enterprise. There's a good quote in this 2010 article: https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-steve-jobs-hates-about-the-enterprise/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-steve-jobs-hates-about-th... >"What I love about the consumer market, that I always hated about the enterprise market, is that we come up with a product, we try to tell everybody about it, and every person votes for themselves. They go 'yes' or 'no,' and if enough of them say 'yes,' we get to come to work tomorrow. That's how it works. It's really simple. With the enterprise market, it's not so simple. The people that use the products don't decide for themselves, and the people that make those decisions sometimes are confused. We love just trying to make the best products in the world for people and having them tell us by how they vote with their wallets whether we're on track or not."

rovr138 4y ago
I mean, if they had solutions that compete with what the other market has, then companies can support both. This professional training would help with that. It's not necessarily that things aren't available. Sometimes it's just not having someone that knows how to.
- colechristensen 4y ago
  The motivations of enterprises and individuals are different. Trying to please both or compromise between them creates worse outcomes for the individual users. The choices you make when interests conflict lowers quality.
twoWhlsGud 4y ago
Indeed. And there's another side that we used to discuss - many folks have negative associations with the gear they use at work because of the way they're managed by IT orgs. Compare a Windows box with a heavy-handed AV setup etc with the same tier of hardware with a stock OS install - the stock version is often a lot more responsive/usable. (And obviously the IT dept may have its reasons for locking down, but that's besides the point.) Due to near-dominance of iPhone/iPads, Apple doesn't have a problem getting mindshare these days, so brand familiarity (which could be an offsetting benefit of a stronger enterprise presence) is not much of a problem.
- massysett 4y ago
  I’m not so sure about this, my Windows at home is a stock one and it randomly inserts junk into my Start menu and comes with crapware. The one I use at work has full-time admins to protect me from this garbage. I bought the Windows box to do only one thing (be essentially a dumb terminal to connect to work) but even using Windows for a task this small is such a bad experience that if I had it to do over I would just spend the extra money and get a Mac Mini.
  - faeriechangling 4y ago
    You need to get Windows Enterprise or Windows Education if you want to dramatically reduce the quantity of bloat that Microsoft flings at you which are $$$.