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> Oh, and also, Miller is hiring if you’re interested in joining the team. I want to change my tire! Get off my back, and stop trying to make money off me for o

> Oh, and also, Miller is hiring if you’re interested in joining the team. I want to change my tire! Get off my back, and stop trying to make money off me for one second while I solve this tire crisis. So, you want someone to help you and you are pissed when they don't want to do it for free?

welshwelsh 4y ago
The problem is that there are people who have published free, no-bullshit guides on how to change a tire for the sake of spreading knowledge, and these results should be prioritized over businesses who have a profit motive.
rglullis 4y ago
No. We are not looking for hire someone to do a job. We just want to be able to search for content online without middlemen interjecting themselves in the hopes of monetizing the interaction.
- lupire 4y ago
  And who do you expect will provide that content for you, for free?
  - swayvil 4y ago
    The ten-million free content providers. We do it because it's worth doing. If the "business people" were to disappear we'd do just fine. The whine of incessant marketing does tend to disturb the peace.
  - rglullis 4y ago
    The millions of people that write and produce content without being tied to this Protestant mentality that something is only worth doing if it is profitable. In fact, I'd wager that if we had a way to filter for content that is written without the goal of being monetized, we'd have a better web and us consumers would be more inclined to reward and give back to the creators generously.
    - metabagel 4y ago
      The Kagi search engine which is close to entering public beta has lenses which tailor the search experience. There is a non-commercial lens. The lenses are basically on or off all the time and affect the overall search results.
      - metabagel 4y ago
        I just realized that Kagi has a !hn option which will search hacker news.
        benstrumental 4y ago
        Where did you find this feature? As a beta user, I have a hard time finding documentation for the features in Kagi. Ironically, searching about Kagi in Kagi is not helpful.
        freediver 4y ago
        Our documentation still sucks, but Kagi supports all bangs that DDG supports and you can find them here : https://duckduckgo.com/bang https://duckduckgo.com/bang
    - grumple 4y ago
      I thought this was an interesting topic, so I read a bit on Protestantism and Protestant work ethic and what makes things worth doing. [1, 2] The interpretation that something is only worth doing if profitable seems somewhat uncharitable but does seem to be possibly rooted in truth. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism#Protestant_culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism#Protestant_cultu... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic
  - soneil 4y ago
    The irony is that the garage is doing a fantastic job up until that point. If someone is so clueless about changing a tyre that the best place they can start is google, then organically taking them to the garage's page is a win. Maybe they'll find the information useful, maybe they'll decide they're out of their depth and call the number on the screen. For them to show up as the first organic result is a huge win. All they have to do with that win is not screw it up. And 9 meg of trackers, a page full of popups, and pointless CTAs (do you want to hire someone who can't change a tyre?) is screwing up that easy win. You don't have to be scummy to turn search results into profit. That garage came so, so close of being a great example, before they threw it away and made a bad example.
MaxikCZ 4y ago
I came to find out how to change a tire, not to get a job in dealership. If the page said "we have 5 different guides on how to change a tire with different level of details, so you can choose the one you preffer. Just pay us 5$ to get download link" without forcing an account, it would be much better.
dredmorbius 4y ago
Ironically, it's the ones who were doing it for free who tended to excel at providing information, and the ones who're busy monetising their presence who've revealed the Sadim Touch, turning all that's gold to shit. (Sadim is the revers of Midas.)

welshwelsh 4y ago

The problem is that there are people who have published free, no-bullshit guides on how to change a tire for the sake of spreading knowledge, and these results should be prioritized over businesses who have a profit motive.

rglullis 4y ago

No. We are not looking for hire someone to do a job. We just want to be able to search for content online without middlemen interjecting themselves in the hopes of monetizing the interaction.

lupire 4y ago
And who do you expect will provide that content for you, for free?
- swayvil 4y ago
  The ten-million free content providers. We do it because it's worth doing. If the "business people" were to disappear we'd do just fine. The whine of incessant marketing does tend to disturb the peace.
- rglullis 4y ago
  The millions of people that write and produce content without being tied to this Protestant mentality that something is only worth doing if it is profitable. In fact, I'd wager that if we had a way to filter for content that is written without the goal of being monetized, we'd have a better web and us consumers would be more inclined to reward and give back to the creators generously.
  - metabagel 4y ago
    The Kagi search engine which is close to entering public beta has lenses which tailor the search experience. There is a non-commercial lens. The lenses are basically on or off all the time and affect the overall search results.
    - metabagel 4y ago
      I just realized that Kagi has a !hn option which will search hacker news.
      - benstrumental 4y ago
        Where did you find this feature? As a beta user, I have a hard time finding documentation for the features in Kagi. Ironically, searching about Kagi in Kagi is not helpful.
        freediver 4y ago
        Our documentation still sucks, but Kagi supports all bangs that DDG supports and you can find them here : https://duckduckgo.com/bang https://duckduckgo.com/bang
  - grumple 4y ago
    I thought this was an interesting topic, so I read a bit on Protestantism and Protestant work ethic and what makes things worth doing. [1, 2] The interpretation that something is only worth doing if profitable seems somewhat uncharitable but does seem to be possibly rooted in truth. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism#Protestant_culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism#Protestant_cultu... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic
- soneil 4y ago
  The irony is that the garage is doing a fantastic job up until that point. If someone is so clueless about changing a tyre that the best place they can start is google, then organically taking them to the garage's page is a win. Maybe they'll find the information useful, maybe they'll decide they're out of their depth and call the number on the screen. For them to show up as the first organic result is a huge win. All they have to do with that win is not screw it up. And 9 meg of trackers, a page full of popups, and pointless CTAs (do you want to hire someone who can't change a tyre?) is screwing up that easy win. You don't have to be scummy to turn search results into profit. That garage came so, so close of being a great example, before they threw it away and made a bad example.

MaxikCZ 4y ago

I came to find out how to change a tire, not to get a job in dealership. If the page said "we have 5 different guides on how to change a tire with different level of details, so you can choose the one you preffer. Just pay us 5$ to get download link" without forcing an account, it would be much better.

dredmorbius 4y ago

Ironically, it's the ones who were doing it for free who tended to excel at providing information, and the ones who're busy monetising their presence who've revealed the Sadim Touch, turning all that's gold to shit. (Sadim is the revers of Midas.)