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The brightness of a screen is also well-defined in the respective DIN norms for workspaces, which I’m following exactly. Those norms also set a limit for the m

The brightness of a screen is also well-defined in the respective DIN norms for workspaces, which I’m following exactly. Those norms also set a limit for the maximum amount of contrast allowed at a workspace, which #000000 on #ffffff violates if it’s shown on a color-calibrated screen with standard brightness. > We can't optimize for the almost 0% of people who have calibrated screens to the detriment of the big majority of people. We can’t just change the meaning of what definitions and terms mean just because it’s easier than making everyone follow the standard. Create a color profile for your monitor, so your OS can compress contrast if your monitor isn’t powerful enough to reach the SDR sRGB specs.

danuker 4y ago
Maybe if the standard weren't CHF 158 (right now equalling $158), more people would implement it. https://www.iso.org/standard/57992.html https://www.iso.org/standard/57992.html > that will ensure effective and comfortable viewing conditions for users with normal or adjusted-to-normal eyesight Sounds like it did not do so for you, in the case of non-compliant websites with your compliant display. I can't be bothered for my personal blog. $158 is my hosting cost for 3 years or so.
necovek 4y ago
To help with "making everyone follow the standard", why don't you start describing what those "standard" screen settings are instead of only talking from the point of authority? Still, any standard prescribing "standard brightness" for office environments is bound to be nothing but a decent average or default. Even if there was biologically optimal display luminance, it would still depend on the environment lightning (which changes during the day if there's a single window in the room), and on the state of the viewers eyes (age, any visual problems or even temporary issues like tiredness), type of display...
- thfuran 4y ago
  >Still, any standard prescribing "standard brightness" for office environments is bound to be nothing but a decent average or default The purpose of a standard isn't to be most preferred by any given person or "biologically optimal", it's to be...standard. Without a standard, a designer has no ability to pick a particular color and expect anything like that color to be what the end user sees. Without a standard, there's almost no point in discussing what text colors websites are or aren't using.
  - necovek 4y ago
    You might be taking this to an extreme. There are standard definitions of colours, and we've got reasonable ways to compare screens side by side to see how many colours they can reproduce. While humans can differentiate between a large number of colours, we usually think of them only in the terms of named ones (and no, I am not talking of "aubergine"). The GP was talking about using whatever "DIN norms for workspaces" regarding screen brightness are, so I don't see how that relates to colour calibration. You also sound as if any one end user really cares if they are looking at exactly the right hue of blue when looking at the "hp" logo. If anything, the company and their marketing department care (for subliminal messaging?), but users really don't. I don't think anyone could pick a McDonald's red or yellow out of a given table of similar red/yellow hues. But even so, if we were looking at any non-light-emitting content displaying colour (eg. a printout), it will look differently to your eye whether you are looking at it in dim light or in a very light setting, so designer can't do anything about that. Anyone who knows even the most basic stuff about colour perception understands that it can't be decoupled from your environment (enter a darkroom and every colour is suddenly... black). Colour calibration and standards are done so that you can guarantee that some things will look identical when displayed in exactly the same environment (so your two screens sitting next to each other show the same hues) or to reproducibly transfer between different mediums (eg. screen and paper), but there is no way you can guarantee that it will look identical for another user in a different environment. Colour calibration is of limited use in general (eg. even different types of paper [think glossy vs matte] will produce different visual results), and while there's more stability with light-emitting mediums (like LCD screens) — because you, essentially, control some of the lightning as well — that breaks down for the average user because they do need to adjust the brightness according to their environment. Those who absolutely require reproducibility, control both their environment and their equipment.

danuker 4y ago

Maybe if the standard weren't CHF 158 (right now equalling $158), more people would implement it. https://www.iso.org/standard/57992.html https://www.iso.org/standard/57992.html > that will ensure effective and comfortable viewing conditions for users with normal or adjusted-to-normal eyesight Sounds like it did not do so for you, in the case of non-compliant websites with your compliant display. I can't be bothered for my personal blog. $158 is my hosting cost for 3 years or so.

necovek 4y ago

To help with "making everyone follow the standard", why don't you start describing what those "standard" screen settings are instead of only talking from the point of authority? Still, any standard prescribing "standard brightness" for office environments is bound to be nothing but a decent average or default. Even if there was biologically optimal display luminance, it would still depend on the environment lightning (which changes during the day if there's a single window in the room), and on the state of the viewers eyes (age, any visual problems or even temporary issues like tiredness), type of display...

thfuran 4y ago
>Still, any standard prescribing "standard brightness" for office environments is bound to be nothing but a decent average or default The purpose of a standard isn't to be most preferred by any given person or "biologically optimal", it's to be...standard. Without a standard, a designer has no ability to pick a particular color and expect anything like that color to be what the end user sees. Without a standard, there's almost no point in discussing what text colors websites are or aren't using.
- necovek 4y ago
  You might be taking this to an extreme. There are standard definitions of colours, and we've got reasonable ways to compare screens side by side to see how many colours they can reproduce. While humans can differentiate between a large number of colours, we usually think of them only in the terms of named ones (and no, I am not talking of "aubergine"). The GP was talking about using whatever "DIN norms for workspaces" regarding screen brightness are, so I don't see how that relates to colour calibration. You also sound as if any one end user really cares if they are looking at exactly the right hue of blue when looking at the "hp" logo. If anything, the company and their marketing department care (for subliminal messaging?), but users really don't. I don't think anyone could pick a McDonald's red or yellow out of a given table of similar red/yellow hues. But even so, if we were looking at any non-light-emitting content displaying colour (eg. a printout), it will look differently to your eye whether you are looking at it in dim light or in a very light setting, so designer can't do anything about that. Anyone who knows even the most basic stuff about colour perception understands that it can't be decoupled from your environment (enter a darkroom and every colour is suddenly... black). Colour calibration and standards are done so that you can guarantee that some things will look identical when displayed in exactly the same environment (so your two screens sitting next to each other show the same hues) or to reproducibly transfer between different mediums (eg. screen and paper), but there is no way you can guarantee that it will look identical for another user in a different environment. Colour calibration is of limited use in general (eg. even different types of paper [think glossy vs matte] will produce different visual results), and while there's more stability with light-emitting mediums (like LCD screens) — because you, essentially, control some of the lightning as well — that breaks down for the average user because they do need to adjust the brightness according to their environment. Those who absolutely require reproducibility, control both their environment and their equipment.