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How is what you’re describing different from real worlds governments, apart from implementation details?

by trasz 4y ago

clouddrover 4y ago
Governments are by and for humans. That isn't an implementation detail. An AGI managing humans (assuming it would even want to keep them around) is like a farmer managing livestock.
- trasz 4y ago
  How is that not an implementation detail? As for “livestock” - again, how is that different from governments?
  - clouddrover 4y ago
    Cynicism and apathy is not an argument. Continuously bleating "sheeple" will not make it so and will not make it interesting.
    - trasz 4y ago
      It's you who came up with "livestock" and "sheeple", not me. What I'm pointing out is that if we are scared of some omnipotent AI, we shouldn't discard existing omnipotent entities simply because they consist of people and not just transistors. What they are built from is an implementation detail; what matters is what they look "from outside". It's Artificial Intelligence, not Silicon Intelligence. So, if we treat both as black boxes, how is this theoretical omnipotent AI different from existing human governments?
      - clouddrover 4y ago
        > What I'm pointing out is that if we are scared of some omnipotent AI, we shouldn't discard existing omnipotent entities You're only pointing out your submissiveness and apathy. Governments are not omnipotent. > if we treat both as black boxes Governments are not black boxes. The operation of governments is legislated. The consequences of government decisions and actions become public, even in the most secretive totalitarian regimes. All your premises are faulty. If you want to remove yourself from broader society, naively misunderstand the constitution and workings of government, and submissively fail to hold the government of the day accountable then good luck to you. If you want to be an AGI's pet then also good luck to you.
        trasz 4y ago
        >Governments are not black boxes. The operation of governments is legislated. xD
        clouddrover 4y ago
        There's that apathy again.

How is what you’re describing different from real worlds governments, apart from implementation details?

by trasz 4y ago

How is what you’re describing different from real worlds governments, apart from implementation details?

Governments are by and for humans. That isn't an implementation detail. An AGI managing humans (assuming it would even want to keep them around) is like a farmer managing livestock.

trasz 4y ago
How is that not an implementation detail? As for “livestock” - again, how is that different from governments?
- clouddrover 4y ago
  Cynicism and apathy is not an argument. Continuously bleating "sheeple" will not make it so and will not make it interesting.
  - trasz 4y ago
    It's you who came up with "livestock" and "sheeple", not me. What I'm pointing out is that if we are scared of some omnipotent AI, we shouldn't discard existing omnipotent entities simply because they consist of people and not just transistors. What they are built from is an implementation detail; what matters is what they look "from outside". It's Artificial Intelligence, not Silicon Intelligence. So, if we treat both as black boxes, how is this theoretical omnipotent AI different from existing human governments?
    - clouddrover 4y ago
      > What I'm pointing out is that if we are scared of some omnipotent AI, we shouldn't discard existing omnipotent entities You're only pointing out your submissiveness and apathy. Governments are not omnipotent. > if we treat both as black boxes Governments are not black boxes. The operation of governments is legislated. The consequences of government decisions and actions become public, even in the most secretive totalitarian regimes. All your premises are faulty. If you want to remove yourself from broader society, naively misunderstand the constitution and workings of government, and submissively fail to hold the government of the day accountable then good luck to you. If you want to be an AGI's pet then also good luck to you.
      - trasz 4y ago
        >Governments are not black boxes. The operation of governments is legislated. xD
        clouddrover 4y ago
        There's that apathy again.