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They compare online charter schools with in-person conventional schools. Hardly a fair fight. The biggest disaster of all is online conventional schools.

eesmith 4y ago
> The biggest disaster of all is online conventional schools Do you have any evidence that online charter schools are worse than online conventional schools? Because pre-COVID the evidence from online charter schools that they are, overall, a disaster, as in (quoting https://www.edweek.org/technology/cyber-charters-have-overwhelming-negative-impact-credo-study-finds/2015/10 https://www.edweek.org/technology/cyber-charters-have-overwh... ) ] Statistically speaking, the gains that online charter students saw in math were so limited, it was “literally as though the student did not go to school for the entire year,” said Macke Raymond, the director the Center for Research on Education Outcomes As far as I know, students in public schools who switched to online during COVID still had a gain in math education. You'll see from the same source that the student:teacher ratio for online charters was 30:1 "compared to 20:1 for brick-and-mortar charters and 17:1 for traditional public schools. At the high school level, more than one-third of the online charters surveyed reported typical class sizes of 50 or more." Conventional schools did not fire half of their teachers when switching to online. For your statement to be true would mean the negative effects were wide-spread, severe, and obvious, and it would mean that doubling the number of teachers per student makes no difference - contra all evidence.
- masonic 4y ago
  >Do you have any evidence that online charter schools are worse than online conventional schools? I wrote exactly the opposite. Perhaps your poor reading comprehension makes you a less than ideal candidate for critiquing education?
  - eesmith 4y ago
    That was a typo, which I did not catch during proof reading. "Assume good faith." - my intent is easy to understand from the rest of my comment, and citation. I'll ask again, where is your evidence that online conventional schools are a bigger disaster than cyber charters? Remember, jamesgreenleaf in the g'parent at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31419272 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31419272 said outcomes are worse in public schools than the alternatives. My point is that's simply not true, given how bad cyber charters are.

eesmith 4y ago

> The biggest disaster of all is online conventional schools Do you have any evidence that online charter schools are worse than online conventional schools? Because pre-COVID the evidence from online charter schools that they are, overall, a disaster, as in (quoting https://www.edweek.org/technology/cyber-charters-have-overwhelming-negative-impact-credo-study-finds/2015/10 https://www.edweek.org/technology/cyber-charters-have-overwh... ) ] Statistically speaking, the gains that online charter students saw in math were so limited, it was “literally as though the student did not go to school for the entire year,” said Macke Raymond, the director the Center for Research on Education Outcomes As far as I know, students in public schools who switched to online during COVID still had a gain in math education. You'll see from the same source that the student:teacher ratio for online charters was 30:1 "compared to 20:1 for brick-and-mortar charters and 17:1 for traditional public schools. At the high school level, more than one-third of the online charters surveyed reported typical class sizes of 50 or more." Conventional schools did not fire half of their teachers when switching to online. For your statement to be true would mean the negative effects were wide-spread, severe, and obvious, and it would mean that doubling the number of teachers per student makes no difference - contra all evidence.

masonic 4y ago
>Do you have any evidence that online charter schools are worse than online conventional schools? I wrote exactly the opposite. Perhaps your poor reading comprehension makes you a less than ideal candidate for critiquing education?
- eesmith 4y ago
  That was a typo, which I did not catch during proof reading. "Assume good faith." - my intent is easy to understand from the rest of my comment, and citation. I'll ask again, where is your evidence that online conventional schools are a bigger disaster than cyber charters? Remember, jamesgreenleaf in the g'parent at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31419272 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31419272 said outcomes are worse in public schools than the alternatives. My point is that's simply not true, given how bad cyber charters are.