So, we're talking about entirely different groups of users then, there's no wonder that we're talking past each other, and that you're missing everything innova

So, we're talking about entirely different groups of users then, there's no wonder that we're talking past each other, and that you're missing everything innovative about this new line of tools. > No, they do not. Not every user around the world has this demand. Most user don't have this demand. We are talking here about a minority of quite special usecases. Most people are not even able to mange their own files, and you mean they will use a complex knowledge-management-system? There I have to strongly disagree. There's a whole academic field of study, End-User Development, dedicated to prove that idea wrong. Every computer user I know is able to use spreadsheets to create their own data types tailored for their domain-specific use cases, some times quite complex ones. That they can't use scripting languages is a failure of those languages, not of users. And yes, users are able to handle complex knowledge management systems when they're built from the ground up with the right models, instead of relying on arcane legacy metaphors from the 1960s, such as hierarchical filesystems - which are good for developers, not so much for end users. Our knowledge about digital content organization has evolved a lot since those early pioneer times. With the proper tools, of course they'll be able to create new software artifacts, which of course they want and need - the same way they want and use new apps built by others. If they could create those themselves, why wouldn't they build their own? > Many? What? This is also a kind of scripting, and there is an endless amount of tools enabling people to do that style of scripting. True, but you're missing out the possibility of enabling people to create automation without any scripting at all. There aren't many tools for that other than spreadsheets, which have bad integration with the rest of the computing environment. >Wikis and databases have a long history of scripting in the knowledge managment-space. The likes of obsidian are just the next iteration, there are not fundamentally new. I recommend you to learn about End-User Development,[1] to see all the ways these tools can be expanded beyond classic scripting, to see what you're missing out, that other people in this thread are aware and you're not. The end-user computing landscape is going very soon to be transformed, flooded with the kind of tools that end users can build for themselves, for the very same reason that the "VBA and MS Office plugins garbage" are still around; just this time, we finally have a chance to create a way better platform for those tools, which doesn't rely on outdated plugins and low-powered scripting languages. "Watch what I do"[2] and "Your wish is my command" [3] are the seminal works with loots of good examples. They're a bit dated, but some of their best methods have still not found their way to practical common-use tools (but modern outliners could change that very soon). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-user_development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-user_development [2] https://archive.org/details/watchwhatido00alle/page/n5/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/watchwhatido00alle/page/n5/mode/... [3] https://web.media.mit.edu/~lieber/PBE/Your-Wish/ https://web.media.mit.edu/~lieber/PBE/Your-Wish/