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Well, that's no surprise, because governments/corporations (in fact, The Govporation these days) strive to keep the status quo of being way beyond the capabilit

Well, that's no surprise, because governments/corporations (in fact, The Govporation these days) strive to keep the status quo of being way beyond the capabilities of the people, hence the monopoly on weapon-grade tools - and I seriously think that AI-produced speech that is indistinguishable from the human one is a weapon-grade tool.

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- simonh 4y ago
  “Govporation” is exactly the sort of agenda driven torturous linguistic manipulation that the phrase “call a spade a spade” mocks.
  - ccbccccbbcccbb 4y ago
    Parse it as "seemingly independent governments of the world and international big business blended and interlocked together to the point of being indistinguishable" to ease the torture.
    - simonh 4y ago
      We have a word for that, although it's meaning is a bit broader. Society.
      - guerrilla 4y ago
        No, that excludes labor, i.e. the majority of people. Land, labor, capitol and state as per classical economics (Ricardo, Smith, etc.)
        simonh 4y ago
        We're democracies, we vote. Oh also it's land, labour, capital and entrepreneurship in classical economics.
        ccbccccbbcccbb 4y ago
        We as in Zamyatin's "We"?
        guerrilla 4y ago
        > We're democracies, we vote. You vote what you're told to vote by the media that the state and capital dominate entirely (Think about it: how would enough people even hear about an alternative idea or candidate that they don't deem in their interest?) If you're American you get to choose between two millionaires (or sometimes billionaires) with virtually identical economic politics chosen in advanced for you who can safely ignore you once they get elected. "Democracy." > Oh also it's land, labour, capital and entrepreneurship in classical economics. First, no you're wrong, there are only three factors of production in classical economics which you would know if you read any of those authors or at least bothered to check Wikipedia[1]. Second, the state is not a factor of production, so you got the wrong list anyway. "Entrepreneurship" which isn't an institution, was made up by noeclassical economics to justify profit in the 30's, over 250 years later. It wasn't even popular until much later. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factors_of_production#A_fourth_factor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factors_of_production#A_fourth...?
      - ccbccccbbcccbb 4y ago
        You are free to assign whatever sequence of phonemes you deem appropriate to the phenomenon, but the latter remains what it is regardless.
jonathanstrange 4y ago
Your answer is in deep conspiracy territory. The reality is in my opinion more banal: money. Microsoft and particularly Apple used to make cutting edge (at the time) TTS available as a marketing gimmick, but then did not develop this further because TTS was only relevant for screen readers and people with impaired vision weren't really their primary customers. Then TTS made advances and companies started selling high quality voices at high price points. Now companies want to make as much money with it as they can. Improving "free" TTS for ordinary customers is not really a top priority of Microsoft and Apple. Moreover, since network speeds have increased, any improved end-consumer TTS will send the text to a server and the audio back, so that a company can collect and analyze all the texts and make money with this spy data. That's how Google's free TTS server works.
- ccbccccbbcccbb 4y ago
  > Now companies want to make as much money with it as they can. That's exactly what I meant when I wrote "...strive to keep the status quo of being way beyond the capabilities of the people". Monopolizing the means of maximizing the profits to maximize the power - now that's some deep conspiracy territory, indeed.
- guerrilla 4y ago
  > Your answer is in deep conspiracy territory. The reality is in my opinion more banal: money. Honestly, are those really different? How is it not in their interest for money?
  - ccbccccbbcccbb 4y ago
    Can't expect any honesty here, my friend. Vested interest and latent stockholm syndrom prevails.

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simonh 4y ago
“Govporation” is exactly the sort of agenda driven torturous linguistic manipulation that the phrase “call a spade a spade” mocks.
- ccbccccbbcccbb 4y ago
  Parse it as "seemingly independent governments of the world and international big business blended and interlocked together to the point of being indistinguishable" to ease the torture.
  - simonh 4y ago
    We have a word for that, although it's meaning is a bit broader. Society.
    - guerrilla 4y ago
      No, that excludes labor, i.e. the majority of people. Land, labor, capitol and state as per classical economics (Ricardo, Smith, etc.)
      - simonh 4y ago
        We're democracies, we vote. Oh also it's land, labour, capital and entrepreneurship in classical economics.
        ccbccccbbcccbb 4y ago
        We as in Zamyatin's "We"?
        guerrilla 4y ago
        > We're democracies, we vote. You vote what you're told to vote by the media that the state and capital dominate entirely (Think about it: how would enough people even hear about an alternative idea or candidate that they don't deem in their interest?) If you're American you get to choose between two millionaires (or sometimes billionaires) with virtually identical economic politics chosen in advanced for you who can safely ignore you once they get elected. "Democracy." > Oh also it's land, labour, capital and entrepreneurship in classical economics. First, no you're wrong, there are only three factors of production in classical economics which you would know if you read any of those authors or at least bothered to check Wikipedia[1]. Second, the state is not a factor of production, so you got the wrong list anyway. "Entrepreneurship" which isn't an institution, was made up by noeclassical economics to justify profit in the 30's, over 250 years later. It wasn't even popular until much later. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factors_of_production#A_fourth_factor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factors_of_production#A_fourth...?
    - ccbccccbbcccbb 4y ago
      You are free to assign whatever sequence of phonemes you deem appropriate to the phenomenon, but the latter remains what it is regardless.

jonathanstrange 4y ago

Your answer is in deep conspiracy territory. The reality is in my opinion more banal: money. Microsoft and particularly Apple used to make cutting edge (at the time) TTS available as a marketing gimmick, but then did not develop this further because TTS was only relevant for screen readers and people with impaired vision weren't really their primary customers. Then TTS made advances and companies started selling high quality voices at high price points. Now companies want to make as much money with it as they can. Improving "free" TTS for ordinary customers is not really a top priority of Microsoft and Apple. Moreover, since network speeds have increased, any improved end-consumer TTS will send the text to a server and the audio back, so that a company can collect and analyze all the texts and make money with this spy data. That's how Google's free TTS server works.

ccbccccbbcccbb 4y ago
> Now companies want to make as much money with it as they can. That's exactly what I meant when I wrote "...strive to keep the status quo of being way beyond the capabilities of the people". Monopolizing the means of maximizing the profits to maximize the power - now that's some deep conspiracy territory, indeed.
guerrilla 4y ago
> Your answer is in deep conspiracy territory. The reality is in my opinion more banal: money. Honestly, are those really different? How is it not in their interest for money?
- ccbccccbbcccbb 4y ago
  Can't expect any honesty here, my friend. Vested interest and latent stockholm syndrom prevails.