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I thought "Ireland" refers to the island as a whole and "Republic of Ireland" is the non UK part. By this definition, Northern Ireland is part of Ireland and t

I thought "Ireland" refers to the island as a whole and "Republic of Ireland" is the non UK part. By this definition, Northern Ireland is part of Ireland and the inhabitants are still called Irish. I don't know a ton of Irish people but I think I've heard them say it like that too? On the other hand, there seem to also be contexts where "Ireland" is shorthand for "Republic of Ireland".

unmole 4y ago
The sovereign state that consists of 26 counties on island referes to itself as Ireland. Variations of The Republic are used for disambiguation but are not used officially. > Northern Ireland is part of Ireland The island yes. But not the Republic of the same name. > and the inhabitants are still called Irish. A large portion of the inhabitants see themselves as Irish. But there is also a large portion who see themselves as British. These are not necessarily exclusive categories as some of them see themselves as both British and Irish. There are also those who see themselves as Northern Irish. Full disclaimer: Not Irish or British, just have an unhealthy interest in the situation.
a_paddy 4y ago
"Ireland" is the official name of the country as per it's constitution. The "Republic of Ireland" is a description of the country given its status as a republic, and has been commonly mistaken as the name of the country due to editorial choices by some UK media. Even Wikipedia erroneously catalogues "Ireland" under "Republic of Ireland".
- PostOnce 4y ago
  Wikipedia doesn't have it wrong per se, it's just that it can't have two articles by the same name (Ireland the island, and Ireland the nation, only one of those can be at /wiki/Ireland), so I guess they opted for Ireland to mean the island, and then the page for the country is /wiki/Republic_of_Ireland... However! That page makes it clear that the name of the country is Ireland: Ireland (Irish: Éire [ˈeːɾʲə] (listen)), also known as the Republic of Ireland (Poblacht na hÉireann), since Ireland there takes precedence. In conclusion, I think it's just a technical limitation.
  - Macha 4y ago
    Wikipedia could also do Ireland (island) and Ireland (state) if they wanted to
  - a_paddy 4y ago
    Less a limitation, more of a choice. Other articles, such as the ones on Australia or Cyprus, are able to disambiguate between the country and the landmass.
jan_Inkepa 4y ago
> I thought "Ireland" refers to the island as a whole and "Republic of Ireland" is the non UK part. Some other posters have replied with some good information, but if you want Entirely Too Much Information this wikipedia page has a more fleshed-out discussion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Irish_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Irish_state Even that is missing some more exotic parts of that history - I see no mention of 'Republic in Ireland', for instance.
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stordoff 4y ago
AIUI, if you go by Irish law, the non-UK part of the island is just "Ireland"[1], and the island as a whole can be referred to as the "island of Ireland". The "Republic of Ireland" is the description of the state of Ireland[2]. In the UK, "Ireland" can mean either the country or the island as a whole. It's often clear from the context which is meant, though "Republic of Ireland"/"Irish Republic" is frequently used instead to make the distinction obvious. The Good Friday Agreement[3] recognises that the people of Northern Ireland may consider themselves British, Irish, or both: > recognise the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they may so choose, and accordingly confirm that their right to hold both British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments [1] Constitution of Ireland, Article 4: "The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland." https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/cons/en/html#part1 https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/cons/en/html#part1 [2] The Republic of Ireland Act, 1948, section 2: "It is hereby declared that the description of the State shall be the Republic of Ireland." https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1948/act/22/section/2/enacted/en/index.html https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1948/act/22/section/2/en... [3] https://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peacemaker.un.org/files/IE%20GB_980410_Northern%20Ireland%20Agreement.pdf https://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peacemaker.un.org/files/IE%2...
- cianmm 4y ago
  There’s also a fun thing where some (a minority, in my experience most frequently on the other side of a customer support line when I’m already annoyed) British people call Ireland (the non-British part) “Southern Ireland”. One of these days I’ll refer to “Southern Scotland” in return.
  - gilleain 4y ago
    Yeah, I see how some of us over here could make that mistake - but still, it's pretty annoying. Perhaps you could use 'Southern Albion' instead? Or 'the south part of the Eastern Island', maybe.
Gordonjcp 4y ago
No, they're called "Northern Irish", even the Republican-leaning ones.
- Macha 4y ago
  Many of those republican leaning ones would disagree with you om that
- unmole 4y ago
  No. There are people who don't even like the term Northern Ireland and instead use the north of Ireland to describe where they live.

unmole 4y ago

The sovereign state that consists of 26 counties on island referes to itself as Ireland. Variations of The Republic are used for disambiguation but are not used officially. > Northern Ireland is part of Ireland The island yes. But not the Republic of the same name. > and the inhabitants are still called Irish. A large portion of the inhabitants see themselves as Irish. But there is also a large portion who see themselves as British. These are not necessarily exclusive categories as some of them see themselves as both British and Irish. There are also those who see themselves as Northern Irish. Full disclaimer: Not Irish or British, just have an unhealthy interest in the situation.

a_paddy 4y ago

"Ireland" is the official name of the country as per it's constitution. The "Republic of Ireland" is a description of the country given its status as a republic, and has been commonly mistaken as the name of the country due to editorial choices by some UK media. Even Wikipedia erroneously catalogues "Ireland" under "Republic of Ireland".

PostOnce 4y ago
Wikipedia doesn't have it wrong per se, it's just that it can't have two articles by the same name (Ireland the island, and Ireland the nation, only one of those can be at /wiki/Ireland), so I guess they opted for Ireland to mean the island, and then the page for the country is /wiki/Republic_of_Ireland... However! That page makes it clear that the name of the country is Ireland: Ireland (Irish: Éire [ˈeːɾʲə] (listen)), also known as the Republic of Ireland (Poblacht na hÉireann), since Ireland there takes precedence. In conclusion, I think it's just a technical limitation.
- Macha 4y ago
  Wikipedia could also do Ireland (island) and Ireland (state) if they wanted to
- a_paddy 4y ago
  Less a limitation, more of a choice. Other articles, such as the ones on Australia or Cyprus, are able to disambiguate between the country and the landmass.

jan_Inkepa 4y ago

> I thought "Ireland" refers to the island as a whole and "Republic of Ireland" is the non UK part. Some other posters have replied with some good information, but if you want Entirely Too Much Information this wikipedia page has a more fleshed-out discussion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Irish_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Irish_state Even that is missing some more exotic parts of that history - I see no mention of 'Republic in Ireland', for instance.

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stordoff 4y ago

AIUI, if you go by Irish law, the non-UK part of the island is just "Ireland"[1], and the island as a whole can be referred to as the "island of Ireland". The "Republic of Ireland" is the description of the state of Ireland[2]. In the UK, "Ireland" can mean either the country or the island as a whole. It's often clear from the context which is meant, though "Republic of Ireland"/"Irish Republic" is frequently used instead to make the distinction obvious. The Good Friday Agreement[3] recognises that the people of Northern Ireland may consider themselves British, Irish, or both: > recognise the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they may so choose, and accordingly confirm that their right to hold both British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments [1] Constitution of Ireland, Article 4: "The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland." https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/cons/en/html#part1 https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/cons/en/html#part1 [2] The Republic of Ireland Act, 1948, section 2: "It is hereby declared that the description of the State shall be the Republic of Ireland." https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1948/act/22/section/2/enacted/en/index.html https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1948/act/22/section/2/en... [3] https://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peacemaker.un.org/files/IE%20GB_980410_Northern%20Ireland%20Agreement.pdf https://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peacemaker.un.org/files/IE%2...

cianmm 4y ago
There’s also a fun thing where some (a minority, in my experience most frequently on the other side of a customer support line when I’m already annoyed) British people call Ireland (the non-British part) “Southern Ireland”. One of these days I’ll refer to “Southern Scotland” in return.
- gilleain 4y ago
  Yeah, I see how some of us over here could make that mistake - but still, it's pretty annoying. Perhaps you could use 'Southern Albion' instead? Or 'the south part of the Eastern Island', maybe.

Gordonjcp 4y ago

No, they're called "Northern Irish", even the Republican-leaning ones.

Macha 4y ago
Many of those republican leaning ones would disagree with you om that
unmole 4y ago
No. There are people who don't even like the term Northern Ireland and instead use the north of Ireland to describe where they live.