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This is just a cultural divide “dream team” to someone from the UK would be met with a harsh eye roll at best. There’s some irony here though - UK software com

This is just a cultural divide “dream team” to someone from the UK would be met with a harsh eye roll at best. There’s some irony here though - UK software companies pay shit. Netflix engineers were routinely making 400-800k in cash with a similar amount of severance if it didn’t work out. Wanker talk aside, I’d rather be at Netflix with top compensation than a UK software company paying devs 60k/yr with heavy top down management.

sph 4y ago
Sure, use a top US tech company with a random UK company as your example, also prices are not in line with market rates. I earned twice as much in a £1M/yr revenue small company. That said, the price comparison between US and Europe is always ignoring the myriad of economic difference between the two places, and in this case whether you're working for wankers that only care about their dream team or where you're treated like a decent human being and not a human resource. There's a reason why many UK developers stay here and don't move to the Silicon Valley to work for Netflix for half a million dollars a year. Not because we're all idiots.
- nivenkos 4y ago
  > There's a reason why many UK developers stay here and don't move to the Silicon Valley to work for Netflix for half a million dollars a year. Because it's incredibly hard to get a work visa, and it comes with a lot of restrictions. It's better for the US corporations to keep us as colonies of cheap labour for offshoring.
  - sph 4y ago
    No, that's not the only factor. It may come as a surprise to some, but not everyone wants to live in the US, or live the US company life. I couldn't care less about getting a work visa and doubling my salary if it means I have to live in Silicon Valley. I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying it's not for me, and for many others. $250k/yr in Europe > $500k/yr in US, especially since in Europe that would put me somewhere in the 1% and I would live like a prince pretty much everywhere. And more personally, $250k/yr at a company I enjoy > $1M/yr at a FAANG. I have no interest in getting filthy rich working for any of those companies, but YMMV.
    - shippintoboston 4y ago
      I make $230k now and I'm willing to halve that to get out of America. Every time I've visited Europe I'm reminded of how money really doesn't buy happiness as cliche as thet sounds.
      - arroz 4y ago
        Yeah go be poor in Europe, see how fun that is My brother got a job in London long ago, only thing he could do is rent a bedroom in a shared house Compared to renting a house in Canada with similar wage
        PaulRobinson 4y ago
        There are places in Europe other than London. In fact, put up with a 90-minute commute a couple of days a week, and you can be living in places with half the housing costs. I always find it strange that on HN we all end up talking about London salaries and London cost of living. Believe it or not, other options exist…
        shippintoboston 4y ago
        Makes 100k+ euro in Europe is not "being poor" Despite the reductiveness of your argument there are things people value more than just buying a big house. The quality of life you get In Europe is superior in my opinion to the one in America. The way cities are laid out and the pervasiveness of public transit allows for a better social life. I could go on and on but if you're going to be on this forum and engage with others you should adjust your attitude.
        gitrog 4y ago
        London != Europe
    - nivenkos 4y ago
      But almost no-one is earning $250k/year in Europe. Not even the Prime Minister. That's the issue, it's more like earning $60k in EU vs. $160k in the US for most Tech workers. And the latter is much, much better.
  - qazpot 4y ago
    Funny, english people crying about being colonies.

sph 4y ago

Sure, use a top US tech company with a random UK company as your example, also prices are not in line with market rates. I earned twice as much in a £1M/yr revenue small company. That said, the price comparison between US and Europe is always ignoring the myriad of economic difference between the two places, and in this case whether you're working for wankers that only care about their dream team or where you're treated like a decent human being and not a human resource. There's a reason why many UK developers stay here and don't move to the Silicon Valley to work for Netflix for half a million dollars a year. Not because we're all idiots.

nivenkos 4y ago
> There's a reason why many UK developers stay here and don't move to the Silicon Valley to work for Netflix for half a million dollars a year. Because it's incredibly hard to get a work visa, and it comes with a lot of restrictions. It's better for the US corporations to keep us as colonies of cheap labour for offshoring.
- sph 4y ago
  No, that's not the only factor. It may come as a surprise to some, but not everyone wants to live in the US, or live the US company life. I couldn't care less about getting a work visa and doubling my salary if it means I have to live in Silicon Valley. I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying it's not for me, and for many others. $250k/yr in Europe > $500k/yr in US, especially since in Europe that would put me somewhere in the 1% and I would live like a prince pretty much everywhere. And more personally, $250k/yr at a company I enjoy > $1M/yr at a FAANG. I have no interest in getting filthy rich working for any of those companies, but YMMV.
  - shippintoboston 4y ago
    I make $230k now and I'm willing to halve that to get out of America. Every time I've visited Europe I'm reminded of how money really doesn't buy happiness as cliche as thet sounds.
    - arroz 4y ago
      Yeah go be poor in Europe, see how fun that is My brother got a job in London long ago, only thing he could do is rent a bedroom in a shared house Compared to renting a house in Canada with similar wage
      - PaulRobinson 4y ago
        There are places in Europe other than London. In fact, put up with a 90-minute commute a couple of days a week, and you can be living in places with half the housing costs. I always find it strange that on HN we all end up talking about London salaries and London cost of living. Believe it or not, other options exist…
      - shippintoboston 4y ago
        Makes 100k+ euro in Europe is not "being poor" Despite the reductiveness of your argument there are things people value more than just buying a big house. The quality of life you get In Europe is superior in my opinion to the one in America. The way cities are laid out and the pervasiveness of public transit allows for a better social life. I could go on and on but if you're going to be on this forum and engage with others you should adjust your attitude.
      - gitrog 4y ago
        London != Europe
  - nivenkos 4y ago
    But almost no-one is earning $250k/year in Europe. Not even the Prime Minister. That's the issue, it's more like earning $60k in EU vs. $160k in the US for most Tech workers. And the latter is much, much better.
- qazpot 4y ago
  Funny, english people crying about being colonies.