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Why I'm Not Writing A Post Bashing The Anonymous Troll

11 points by lionhearted 15y ago

pork 15y ago
What?? You de-anonymized the troll as HN's own jacquesm. I would call that bashing...
- polymatter 15y ago
  Its clearly passive-agressive bashing. Not very effective one at that since if his only real evidence is (http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=subtle+feedback+loop http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=subtle+feed...) thats not a lot to go on. In his defence, he did say he wasn't going to bash the troll, and that was such a poor bash its not a real attempt. I think its more interesting the personality type he describes and whether such "conflict invigoration" is healthy in a leader. Just coming from (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3138826 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3138826) it sounds similar to Bezos
_pius 15y ago
Sebastian, you write lots of interesting articles and make a lot of great contributions to HN, but the post you wrote about Patrick was self-serving and in incredibly poor taste. Jacques was nowhere near the only person here who thought so. You haven't bothered to delete the post, but you're writing 3,000 word missives slamming one of its detractors? Why? Presumably if you thought your post were fair, you wouldn't try to excuse it by saying that you "don’t link it at all." I don't get it, but I'd like to.
- lotharbot 15y ago
  > "you're writing 3,000 word missives slamming one of its detractors?" There are a lot of people who have trouble with the post in question (including Patrick). Sebastian doesn't seem to go out of his way to write about "detractors" (he's explained why he hasn't deleted the post, so that's ground I won't cover.) But 0x12 was no mere "detractor"; he put a fair bit of effort into stirring the pot, and it clearly got to Sebastian. I think he was pretty honest about it in this post: "it’s probably some mix of not being centered enough, taking things personally, being a little vain and self-important, and all sorts of other neurotic undesirable personality traits." So the question is, is that healthy? Or, perhaps a better question is, how do you redirect that energy in a healthy way? Sebastian took the time and energy to "unmask" Jacques and bash-while-not-bashing him; could he have instead used the frustration of "arguing on the internet" to fuel something more productive? It's an interesting question. His answer is weak, but the question is good.
anigbrowl 15y ago
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11 points by lionhearted 15y ago

pork 15y ago

What?? You de-anonymized the troll as HN's own jacquesm. I would call that bashing...

polymatter 15y ago
Its clearly passive-agressive bashing. Not very effective one at that since if his only real evidence is (http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=subtle+feedback+loop http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=subtle+feed...) thats not a lot to go on. In his defence, he did say he wasn't going to bash the troll, and that was such a poor bash its not a real attempt. I think its more interesting the personality type he describes and whether such "conflict invigoration" is healthy in a leader. Just coming from (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3138826 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3138826) it sounds similar to Bezos

_pius 15y ago

Sebastian, you write lots of interesting articles and make a lot of great contributions to HN, but the post you wrote about Patrick was self-serving and in incredibly poor taste. Jacques was nowhere near the only person here who thought so. You haven't bothered to delete the post, but you're writing 3,000 word missives slamming one of its detractors? Why? Presumably if you thought your post were fair, you wouldn't try to excuse it by saying that you "don’t link it at all." I don't get it, but I'd like to.

lotharbot 15y ago
> "you're writing 3,000 word missives slamming one of its detractors?" There are a lot of people who have trouble with the post in question (including Patrick). Sebastian doesn't seem to go out of his way to write about "detractors" (he's explained why he hasn't deleted the post, so that's ground I won't cover.) But 0x12 was no mere "detractor"; he put a fair bit of effort into stirring the pot, and it clearly got to Sebastian. I think he was pretty honest about it in this post: "it’s probably some mix of not being centered enough, taking things personally, being a little vain and self-important, and all sorts of other neurotic undesirable personality traits." So the question is, is that healthy? Or, perhaps a better question is, how do you redirect that energy in a healthy way? Sebastian took the time and energy to "unmask" Jacques and bash-while-not-bashing him; could he have instead used the frustration of "arguing on the internet" to fuel something more productive? It's an interesting question. His answer is weak, but the question is good.

anigbrowl 15y ago

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