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Unlike almost all other treaties about borders, in the Good Friday Agreement Ireland does not recognize Northern Ireland as a perpetual part of the UK and does

Unlike almost all other treaties about borders, in the Good Friday Agreement Ireland does not recognize Northern Ireland as a perpetual part of the UK and does not recognize unconditional sovereignty of UK over NI - it's a recognition of the current situation as reflecting the current wishes of the population but explicitly leaves the long-term outcome open ended, stipulates that UK sovereignty is conditional upon NI population wishing to stay part of UK and mandates that if that choice of NI people changes, then UK has a binding obligation to cede Northern Ireland, no matter what people in England/Scotland/Wales would vote for.

sgt101 4y ago
Treaties like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement?
- patrickk 4y ago
  Interestingly, the UK and ROI are not in Schengen[1], but jointly have a Common Travel Area[2], which means Irish passport holders can live and work in the EU and in the UK, post Brexit. British and Irish citizens can generally live and work in the other country without visas. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/ms97x/venn_diagram_illustrating_all_the_different/ https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/ms97x/venn_diagram_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Travel_Area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Travel_Area
  - ftyers 4y ago
    And vote too... I think the only election that can't be voted for is English people resident in Ireland for the president (for obvious reasons... there is no equivalent vote in England).
- PeterisP 4y ago
  No, the treaties which actually set the borders and acknowledge or cede sovereignty, for example the Paris Peace treaties of 1947 setting some of the post-WW2 borders, and many others, usually being peace treaties following some conflict that changed the borders. Schengen is about regulating travel over the existing borders, Schengen is not a border treaty about where the exactly the borders lie and which country has full sovereignty over some land. While in colloquial language Schengen can be described as "eliminating borders", of course that is only a limited metaphor/analogy and the Schengen treaty does not challenge or change the validity of borders between countries in the Schengen area - even if it's trivial for people to cross over some Schengen border, it is not questioned that the sovereignty and laws change across that line.

sgt101 4y ago

Treaties like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement?

patrickk 4y ago
Interestingly, the UK and ROI are not in Schengen[1], but jointly have a Common Travel Area[2], which means Irish passport holders can live and work in the EU and in the UK, post Brexit. British and Irish citizens can generally live and work in the other country without visas. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/ms97x/venn_diagram_illustrating_all_the_different/ https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/ms97x/venn_diagram_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Travel_Area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Travel_Area
- ftyers 4y ago
  And vote too... I think the only election that can't be voted for is English people resident in Ireland for the president (for obvious reasons... there is no equivalent vote in England).
PeterisP 4y ago
No, the treaties which actually set the borders and acknowledge or cede sovereignty, for example the Paris Peace treaties of 1947 setting some of the post-WW2 borders, and many others, usually being peace treaties following some conflict that changed the borders. Schengen is about regulating travel over the existing borders, Schengen is not a border treaty about where the exactly the borders lie and which country has full sovereignty over some land. While in colloquial language Schengen can be described as "eliminating borders", of course that is only a limited metaphor/analogy and the Schengen treaty does not challenge or change the validity of borders between countries in the Schengen area - even if it's trivial for people to cross over some Schengen border, it is not questioned that the sovereignty and laws change across that line.