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> We don't leave plane crashes out to rust. That's not actually true, although I don't blame you for not being aware of this... Here in the US, there are plent

> We don't leave plane crashes out to rust. That's not actually true, although I don't blame you for not being aware of this... Here in the US, there are plenty of identifiable, unsalvaged plane wrecks left in the wilderness. I hike a lot around Southern California... The San Gabriel Mountains alone have at least a half dozen wrecks with significant portions of the fuselage & engines. Some of them are remarkably accessible... IIRC there is a T-6 Texan from the 1950s along the Mt Baldy summit trail (~9500' elevation) which is hiked by thousands of people a year. In Joshua Tree National Park, there are two wrecks on Quail Mountain... Plenty of others besides those.

SkittyDog 4y ago
Oh, almost forgot the famous wreck on Mount Rainier's South Tacoma Glacier... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Tahoma_Glacier#History https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Tahoma_Glacier#History Crashed in December 1946 with 32 US Marines aboard... This was before helicopters and GPS, so the wreck wasn't located quickly enough, and got buried by the early Winter snowfall. Some recoveries in the following years, but the bulk of the wreck and the bodies were left in place, as a permanent monument. I believe the area is now off-limits to climbers, as well.
missedthecue 4y ago
But no one cares if they're disturbed. You can hike to them, clamber over them... if the owner of the property gives you permission, you can haul it all away and sell it for scrap and no one will care.
- SkittyDog 4y ago
  Also, not true... See my sibling comment to yours about the Marine Corps transport that went down on South Thomas Glacier on Rainer in '46. Most of the plane and the bodies are still up there, buried in the glacier, and the area has been permanently closed to recreational climbing, as a resting place for the dead Marines onboard.
  - missedthecue 4y ago
    Obviously wrecks in national/state parks will be protected.
    - SkittyDog 4y ago
      No, the decision to protect the plane wreck as a burial-in-place had nothing to do with it being a national park. In 1946, simply setting foot onto the Tahoma Glacier required a highly technical mountaineering expedition. There were no helicopters at that time to bring in search & rescue personnel or to remove bodies. Park rangers and the Navy determined that a huge team of mountaineers would be required, and it would take them several weeks to extricate the bodies, by hand and on foot. A recovery could only have taken place in the late Summer/Fall, when the snow was at it's lowest level--but that would also require exposing the recovery team to the worst dangers of rockfall, crevasses, etc while they worked and camped on the glacier. The risk to rescuers was simple too great, and there were no feasible alternative options at the time. https://www.historylink.org/File/7820 https://www.historylink.org/File/7820 Listen, this is the THIRD time in row that you've asserted something that's just factually false, on this topic... Don't you think it would be a good idea to do some research and educate yourself about this topic, before you make any more comments about it? I mean this with respect... We all have gaps in our knowledge, and I assume that growing your knowledge is important to you? https://www.historylink.org/File/7820 https://www.historylink.org/File/7820

SkittyDog 4y ago

Oh, almost forgot the famous wreck on Mount Rainier's South Tacoma Glacier... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Tahoma_Glacier#History https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Tahoma_Glacier#History Crashed in December 1946 with 32 US Marines aboard... This was before helicopters and GPS, so the wreck wasn't located quickly enough, and got buried by the early Winter snowfall. Some recoveries in the following years, but the bulk of the wreck and the bodies were left in place, as a permanent monument. I believe the area is now off-limits to climbers, as well.

missedthecue 4y ago

But no one cares if they're disturbed. You can hike to them, clamber over them... if the owner of the property gives you permission, you can haul it all away and sell it for scrap and no one will care.

SkittyDog 4y ago
Also, not true... See my sibling comment to yours about the Marine Corps transport that went down on South Thomas Glacier on Rainer in '46. Most of the plane and the bodies are still up there, buried in the glacier, and the area has been permanently closed to recreational climbing, as a resting place for the dead Marines onboard.
- missedthecue 4y ago
  Obviously wrecks in national/state parks will be protected.
  - SkittyDog 4y ago
    No, the decision to protect the plane wreck as a burial-in-place had nothing to do with it being a national park. In 1946, simply setting foot onto the Tahoma Glacier required a highly technical mountaineering expedition. There were no helicopters at that time to bring in search & rescue personnel or to remove bodies. Park rangers and the Navy determined that a huge team of mountaineers would be required, and it would take them several weeks to extricate the bodies, by hand and on foot. A recovery could only have taken place in the late Summer/Fall, when the snow was at it's lowest level--but that would also require exposing the recovery team to the worst dangers of rockfall, crevasses, etc while they worked and camped on the glacier. The risk to rescuers was simple too great, and there were no feasible alternative options at the time. https://www.historylink.org/File/7820 https://www.historylink.org/File/7820 Listen, this is the THIRD time in row that you've asserted something that's just factually false, on this topic... Don't you think it would be a good idea to do some research and educate yourself about this topic, before you make any more comments about it? I mean this with respect... We all have gaps in our knowledge, and I assume that growing your knowledge is important to you? https://www.historylink.org/File/7820 https://www.historylink.org/File/7820