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OK, here is my unrelated plagiarism story... I was in high school waaaayyyy back in 1974, before the internet lads. I was in AP path and one class we had to tak

OK, here is my unrelated plagiarism story... I was in high school waaaayyyy back in 1974, before the internet lads. I was in AP path and one class we had to take was a creative writing class, the assignment was to write a poem. I was completely stumped, so I copied the lyrics off the back of a Rick Wakeman Album (Journey to the center of the earth). The teacher said, "one student handed in the most fantastic work" then said my name asked me to read it in front of the class. I did, a few students caught on, but they did not rat me out because they said they were going to use the same idea themselves on the next assignment. I got an A, but it was a dufus move by a dumb kid. I just don't understand today how anyone can think they could get away with plagiarism with computers and the internet etc.

icambron 4y ago
There is an SNL skit about doing this https://youtu.be/EWEX2jXSyFY https://youtu.be/EWEX2jXSyFY
- zw123456 4y ago
  LOL, never saw that one, hahaha, I am sure I was not the first to do that and not the last :) would never work today with turnitin.com etc.
  - jrootabega 4y ago
    A few of us got away with it in the early 90's reciting Spin Doctors and Metallica lyrics. The trick was to use a deep cut. I don't think the teacher would have even recognized a radio single, but she may have picked up on all our poems being "verse verse chorus verse chorus"!
mizzao 4y ago
Oh, they sure as heck are gonna get away with it, see this Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/sharplm/status/1524024667576619008 https://twitter.com/sharplm/status/1524024667576619008 Students are going to generate writing they didn't do with GPT-3 And teachers are going to use the discriminator part of a GAN to figure out if students did their own writing
- zw123456 4y ago
  OMG, so nothing ever changes, the game has just been upped is all! But here is sort of the funny thing, as I have gotten older, I have grown to appreciate things like poetry a lot more and have even tried my hand at it a few times for fun. I guess it just proves the old adage "retirement is wasted on the old and school is wasted on the young". Not sure who said that. I probably just committed plagiarism for not including an attribution. Sorry to whomever said it, wait, let me copy some Tracy Chapman Lyrics for the apology :)
  - InCityDreams 4y ago
    I think you're thinking of "Sorry seems to be the long3st word " (c) Elvis John.
- bambax 4y ago
  Using GPT-3 is cheating, but it could be argued it's not "plagiarism" per se. Plagiarism is copying someone else's work; using AI (or an essay farm manned by humans) is outsourcing the creation of a new thing.
  - dredmorbius 4y ago
    Plagiarism is at heart claiming as your own what isn't. If it's somebody else's, give them credit. If it's algorithm or automated output, say so.
  - withinboredom 4y ago
    AIs can’t have copyright. So it’s not even cheating. They just used tools is all. If the rules say you can’t use an AI (maybe spellcheck, depending how define AI and grammar check would be cheating), then it would be cheating.
    - karatinversion 4y ago
      I don't think the notion of copyright enters into it at all. Schools generally have policy to the effect that anything submitted must be the student's own work, not that another entity cannot have copyright over it. You couldn't submit out-of-copyright text without attribution, either.
fitch321 4y ago
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- zw123456 4y ago
  It's like an arms race.
- aaplok 4y ago
  "A prime number is a number that is only divisible by one and by itself." becomes "A prime number is a number that is divisible by just one." I'd say, avoid.
- zrobotics 4y ago
  For something that I knew would be challenging, I threw the first 4 lines of Howl at it and got: Paraphrased:"I have seen the best hearts of my generation destroyed by madness and hysterically naked and hungry, Going through Negro Street at dawn, looking for a ferocious solution, An angel-headed hipster, burning on a machine at night, after an ancient celestial connection to a dynamo in the starry sky. In the supernatural darkness of a cold-water apartment floating on the roof of the city thinking of jazz, a poor, tattered, dented eye smoker" Original:" I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked, dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix, angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night, who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high sat up smoking in the supernatural darkness of cold-water flats floating across the tops of cities contemplating jazz" I was expecting basically thesaurus substitutions, and that is mainly what it did. However, there was some amount of sentence reordering as well. Not sure this would pass plagiarism detection tools though. However, I chose something specifically difficult to paraphrase, and honestly the results aren't bad.
Tade0 4y ago
My class in middle school was 80% honor students - each and every one of their presentations was Wikipedia copied verbatim. Looking at the results of the final exam it should have been at most 20%. To this day I wonder what kind of upbringing they had that they felt the need to cut corners like that at such an early age.

icambron 4y ago

There is an SNL skit about doing this https://youtu.be/EWEX2jXSyFY https://youtu.be/EWEX2jXSyFY

zw123456 4y ago
LOL, never saw that one, hahaha, I am sure I was not the first to do that and not the last :) would never work today with turnitin.com etc.
- jrootabega 4y ago
  A few of us got away with it in the early 90's reciting Spin Doctors and Metallica lyrics. The trick was to use a deep cut. I don't think the teacher would have even recognized a radio single, but she may have picked up on all our poems being "verse verse chorus verse chorus"!

mizzao 4y ago

Oh, they sure as heck are gonna get away with it, see this Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/sharplm/status/1524024667576619008 https://twitter.com/sharplm/status/1524024667576619008 Students are going to generate writing they didn't do with GPT-3 And teachers are going to use the discriminator part of a GAN to figure out if students did their own writing

zw123456 4y ago
OMG, so nothing ever changes, the game has just been upped is all! But here is sort of the funny thing, as I have gotten older, I have grown to appreciate things like poetry a lot more and have even tried my hand at it a few times for fun. I guess it just proves the old adage "retirement is wasted on the old and school is wasted on the young". Not sure who said that. I probably just committed plagiarism for not including an attribution. Sorry to whomever said it, wait, let me copy some Tracy Chapman Lyrics for the apology :)
- InCityDreams 4y ago
  I think you're thinking of "Sorry seems to be the long3st word " (c) Elvis John.
bambax 4y ago
Using GPT-3 is cheating, but it could be argued it's not "plagiarism" per se. Plagiarism is copying someone else's work; using AI (or an essay farm manned by humans) is outsourcing the creation of a new thing.
- dredmorbius 4y ago
  Plagiarism is at heart claiming as your own what isn't. If it's somebody else's, give them credit. If it's algorithm or automated output, say so.
- withinboredom 4y ago
  AIs can’t have copyright. So it’s not even cheating. They just used tools is all. If the rules say you can’t use an AI (maybe spellcheck, depending how define AI and grammar check would be cheating), then it would be cheating.
  - karatinversion 4y ago
    I don't think the notion of copyright enters into it at all. Schools generally have policy to the effect that anything submitted must be the student's own work, not that another entity cannot have copyright over it. You couldn't submit out-of-copyright text without attribution, either.

fitch321 4y ago

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zw123456 4y ago
It's like an arms race.
aaplok 4y ago
"A prime number is a number that is only divisible by one and by itself." becomes "A prime number is a number that is divisible by just one." I'd say, avoid.
zrobotics 4y ago
For something that I knew would be challenging, I threw the first 4 lines of Howl at it and got: Paraphrased:"I have seen the best hearts of my generation destroyed by madness and hysterically naked and hungry, Going through Negro Street at dawn, looking for a ferocious solution, An angel-headed hipster, burning on a machine at night, after an ancient celestial connection to a dynamo in the starry sky. In the supernatural darkness of a cold-water apartment floating on the roof of the city thinking of jazz, a poor, tattered, dented eye smoker" Original:" I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked, dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix, angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night, who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high sat up smoking in the supernatural darkness of cold-water flats floating across the tops of cities contemplating jazz" I was expecting basically thesaurus substitutions, and that is mainly what it did. However, there was some amount of sentence reordering as well. Not sure this would pass plagiarism detection tools though. However, I chose something specifically difficult to paraphrase, and honestly the results aren't bad.

Tade0 4y ago

My class in middle school was 80% honor students - each and every one of their presentations was Wikipedia copied verbatim. Looking at the results of the final exam it should have been at most 20%. To this day I wonder what kind of upbringing they had that they felt the need to cut corners like that at such an early age.