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>About 100 cases of ghost surgeries were prosecuted in the five-year period before 2018, according to the health ministry. But between 2008 and 2014, about 100,

by tsol 4y ago

>About 100 cases of ghost surgeries were prosecuted in the five-year period before 2018, according to the health ministry. But between 2008 and 2014, about 100,000 patients were victims of ghost surgeries, the Korean Society of Plastic Surgeons has estimated. Wow, that's a pretty large number. I can see how this could have society-wide impacts

lifthrasiir 4y ago
"Victims" are somewhat charged terms, because those PA nurses [1] are often better at surgery than anyone else, even compared to real surgeons. In some sense they are battle-tested PAs without PA-level compensations and legal protections, making them attractive in many hospitals. PA nurses are not in the position against this practice. The original article didn't interview any nurses or representatives from nursing organizations (say, the Korean Nurses Association), thus completely missed this point. [1] PA stands for physician assistants but otherwise doesn't bear any relation with actual formally trained PAs.
- wutbrodo 4y ago
  "Victim" still feels appropriate, on grounds of what should be the pretty basic expectation to be transparent with the patient. I know it's not feasible to exhaustively explain the entire sausage factory, but it's not difficult to avoid deliberately misleading them.
- schleck8 4y ago
  The real shadow doctor issue in Korea looks like this: Doctor comes into surgery room or at least does the consultation -> anaesthesia -> inexperienced surgeon/non-surgeon comes into room while patient isn't awake and conducts operation This is fraud, plain and simple. Especially in the plastic surgery sector (which is very established in South Korea), individual surgeons tend to have a reputation for having a certain style they achieve, which is what patients chose the clinic based on. Victim is a perfectly suitable word.
  - lifthrasiir 4y ago
    I mean, they are still victims of those practices, but there is a reason that the Korean Society of Plastic Surgeons uses that particular term.
  - rdtwo 4y ago
    They seemed to have borrowed that from famous artists that have been doing this since the Dawn of time.

by tsol 4y ago

lifthrasiir 4y ago

"Victims" are somewhat charged terms, because those PA nurses [1] are often better at surgery than anyone else, even compared to real surgeons. In some sense they are battle-tested PAs without PA-level compensations and legal protections, making them attractive in many hospitals. PA nurses are not in the position against this practice. The original article didn't interview any nurses or representatives from nursing organizations (say, the Korean Nurses Association), thus completely missed this point. [1] PA stands for physician assistants but otherwise doesn't bear any relation with actual formally trained PAs.

wutbrodo 4y ago
"Victim" still feels appropriate, on grounds of what should be the pretty basic expectation to be transparent with the patient. I know it's not feasible to exhaustively explain the entire sausage factory, but it's not difficult to avoid deliberately misleading them.
schleck8 4y ago
The real shadow doctor issue in Korea looks like this: Doctor comes into surgery room or at least does the consultation -> anaesthesia -> inexperienced surgeon/non-surgeon comes into room while patient isn't awake and conducts operation This is fraud, plain and simple. Especially in the plastic surgery sector (which is very established in South Korea), individual surgeons tend to have a reputation for having a certain style they achieve, which is what patients chose the clinic based on. Victim is a perfectly suitable word.
- lifthrasiir 4y ago
  I mean, they are still victims of those practices, but there is a reason that the Korean Society of Plastic Surgeons uses that particular term.
- rdtwo 4y ago
  They seemed to have borrowed that from famous artists that have been doing this since the Dawn of time.