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I spent the last two days migrating my company to Render from Heroku, and now I'm glad I did. Render is a little rough around the edges; Heroku is far more poli
by hkhanna 4y ago
I spent the last two days migrating my company to Render from Heroku, and now I'm glad I did. Render is a little rough around the edges; Heroku is far more polished.
But it's probably to Render's credit that, in my opinion, the most annoying thing about Render is that it's impossible to google about Render because "render" is such a common word in the tech world!
Their support is good and responsive, and the developer experience was good enough. It has some warts, and there were definitely times I missed Heroku, but their speed of improvement gives me confidence in their future.
Sad to leave Heroku after almost a decade with them. They were far ahead of their time.
- tdfx 4y agoWe just started planning our transition, as well. This was handled so poorly I can't imagine anyone would ever plan to start a new project on their platform.
- wlll 4y agoWhat happened?
- PKop 4y agohttps://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=0&prefix=false&query=heroku%20&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=0&prefix=fa...
- wlll 4y agoOh, sorry, I thought the comment was about how the transition was handled poorly. I’m well aware of the slow-motion train crash that is the Heroku incident!
- gault8121 4y agoHow did the pricing compare? What was the Render server needed to match what you were using with the Heroku Dyno? I run a high-traffic nonprofit edtech app that runs on 3-5 Heroku L Dynos, and I'm curious how well Render will perform at this level.
- hkhanna 4y agoOff the top of my head, I'd say Render is a little more expensive at the lower tiers and less expensive at the higher tiers.
- rychco 4y agoI also intend to deploy some new services on render (having previously used Heroku). I was debating between render & fly, which I've also had my eye on and may still try for something else in the future.
- heartbreak 4y agoI think Fly will be great, but it's not there yet. I migrated to Render.
- Rastonbury 4y agoI am considering moving, could you share why Fly wasn't adequate for you?
- anurag 4y ago(Render founder) Thank you for the support. You might have shared this with our support engineers already but I'd love to hear about what you missed from Heroku (email in profile). We're building Render for the very long term and every bit of feedback helps, even if we can't get to it right away.
- lebaux 4y agoThe bit about the unfortunate name of the product should be taken more seriously. I understand you got that sexy .com domain, and you are here for the long run, but it is currently doing a disservice. My 2c :)
- alx__ 4y agoI haven't had any issues finding docs via Google e.g. "render postgres" or whatever specific thing I'm looking for It's possible my google search is now biased because I've clicked on links for render?
- herodoturtle 4y agoNot sure I agree with this, hear me out please :-) People who don’t know about Render won’t be googling “render” - instead they’ll be googling something else (along the lines of what render offers), and then perhaps discover render in the results. And of course people who know about Render won’t ever need to google it, because of that “sexy .com” :-) Edit: perhaps you meant googling about Render’s features/docs/how-tos? Granted this might be trickier!
- andrewflnr 4y agoI'm almost certain they were talking about googling docs etc as mentioned in your edit. That would definitely be my concern.
- I_dev_outdoors 4y agoI agree with you, that's what they meant. Just like Go is referred to as golang by the community, maybe render can be referred to as rendercloud.
- Rastonbury 4y agoMind sharing why you chose Render over other competitors? Considering the same
- pid-1 4y agoI don't use Heroku, nor Render, and I definitely think anyone using Heroku should be moving out, but... Do you have any evidence Render actually takes security seriously? Not shitting on their platform, I actually never used it, I just think as an industry we should be way past the point we trust platforms by default.
- oxff 4y agoI asked about this too. Everyone meme'ing these alt platforms essentially assumes they are safer than Heroku by virtue of the fact that Heroku had a pretty severe incident. I haven't actually seen these platforms prove that they're safer than Heroku, they could be as bad or worse in security.
- hthrowaway5 4y agoI wouldn't move off of Heroku because of the incident. I would move off of them because of their response to the incident. They plainly lied. Responses take weeks and are very incomplete. They have so few people they can't possibly run a secure, stable system anymore. They don't have a plan or backing from sfdc to get back to a solid foundation. I can't speak to competitors but I can say with certainty that Heroku is simply not an option for you anymore. Whether that means you use another PaaS or fire up an EC2 instance yourself you must move away at this point.
- duckmysick 4y ago> I just think as an industry we should be way past the point we trust platforms by default. That's a great point and I fully agree. I'm struggling to come up with reliable ways of checking security of the companies I'm not familiar with. It's not like I can rely on their landing page. And they are likely not on the market long enough to see how they responded to past security incidents. The only thing I can think of is checking how they handle registration and logins - but it's not that strong of a signal anyway. Does anyone have other ideas?
- bmulholland 4y agoI had to switch from Render to Heroku a year or so ago because Render had no security documentation at all. I asked them about it at the time and was told security docs were perhaps six months out. There's still none, so it's clear that demonstrating security is not something that's a priority.