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> Then why are you complaining about being downvoted? Because downvoting isn’t discussion, it’s a lazy way of dismissing something instead of taking a real pos

> Then why are you complaining about being downvoted? Because downvoting isn’t discussion, it’s a lazy way of dismissing something instead of taking a real position around whatever it is you disagree with. > Because you are not writing for yourself but for the HN readership and the HN readership most definitely includes the people you pretend not to be "forgetting" but actually are. Do you honestly think that “every post must include and add a disclaimer accounting for every possible perspective of every possible reader anywhere on Planet Earth” is a reasonable expectation to have for this, or any, conversation forum? Should every discussion of, say, Spotify mostly focus on how unaffordable it is the population of Burundi, rather than trusting reasonable readers to understand that people are speaking to their own experiences rather than trying to make universal claims about the entire globe? I’m seriously asking, because it seems like an absurd expectation to me.

WastingMyTime89 4y ago
> I’m seriously asking, because it seems like an absurd expectation to me. If you purposefully push it to absurde length, obviously it becomes an absurd expectation. No one is asking you to disclaim everything you write. I am just pointing to you that if you can't be bothered to think about how what you write is going to be received, you shouldn't be surprised to be downvoted. You seem surprised that people don't care about what things mean to you when you communicate whereas it should be obvious. You are not writing for you after all but to be read.
- msbarnett 4y ago
  > No one is asking you to disclaim everything you write. Oh? No? Then why did you write: > Or they realise the hubris you need to have to think 150$ to be a meaningless amount of money. What is the hubris if not that there’s somebody, somewhere for whom it’s a lot of money that I failed to add enough disclaimers about for your tastes? I was clearing talking about $150’s value to me relative to my own personal income, so you clearly felt like that needed to come with some disclaimer about Italian developers, for some reason, despite me living half a planet away from Italy and never having said anything about anyone other than I, myself, and me. What seems like the real hubris here is yours — your insistence that everybody else’s personal opinion on what’s a lot of money to them personally MUST make space for the chip you have on your shoulder. > You seem surprised that people don't care about what things mean to you when you communicate whereas it should be obvious. You are not writing for you after all but to be read. While I am writing to be read, I am expecting an audience that speaks English well enough to understand that “I” and “me” refers to, well, me, and logical and mature enough to understand that a statement written by me and about me quite obviously has nothing whatsoever to do with the income of people halfway across the planet – it’s just spectacularly and completely irrelevant to anything I wrote about how much the cost of the tool impacts me personally. I seriously doubt that Italian developers consider less than 0.06% of their income “a lot of money” either, for what it’s worth. If you make $50,000, do you consider $30 “a lot of money”? Because that’s the scale of what I’m talking about here. And sure, $30 is probably still a lot of money to someone somewhere else; but do you also go shout at teenagers in GameStop the next time they refer to a $30 video game as “cheap”? Seems like foolish and irrelevant behaviour, to me. Somebody’s cheap will always be someone else’s expensive.

WastingMyTime89 4y ago

> I’m seriously asking, because it seems like an absurd expectation to me. If you purposefully push it to absurde length, obviously it becomes an absurd expectation. No one is asking you to disclaim everything you write. I am just pointing to you that if you can't be bothered to think about how what you write is going to be received, you shouldn't be surprised to be downvoted. You seem surprised that people don't care about what things mean to you when you communicate whereas it should be obvious. You are not writing for you after all but to be read.

msbarnett 4y ago
> No one is asking you to disclaim everything you write. Oh? No? Then why did you write: > Or they realise the hubris you need to have to think 150$ to be a meaningless amount of money. What is the hubris if not that there’s somebody, somewhere for whom it’s a lot of money that I failed to add enough disclaimers about for your tastes? I was clearing talking about $150’s value to me relative to my own personal income, so you clearly felt like that needed to come with some disclaimer about Italian developers, for some reason, despite me living half a planet away from Italy and never having said anything about anyone other than I, myself, and me. What seems like the real hubris here is yours — your insistence that everybody else’s personal opinion on what’s a lot of money to them personally MUST make space for the chip you have on your shoulder. > You seem surprised that people don't care about what things mean to you when you communicate whereas it should be obvious. You are not writing for you after all but to be read. While I am writing to be read, I am expecting an audience that speaks English well enough to understand that “I” and “me” refers to, well, me, and logical and mature enough to understand that a statement written by me and about me quite obviously has nothing whatsoever to do with the income of people halfway across the planet – it’s just spectacularly and completely irrelevant to anything I wrote about how much the cost of the tool impacts me personally. I seriously doubt that Italian developers consider less than 0.06% of their income “a lot of money” either, for what it’s worth. If you make $50,000, do you consider $30 “a lot of money”? Because that’s the scale of what I’m talking about here. And sure, $30 is probably still a lot of money to someone somewhere else; but do you also go shout at teenagers in GameStop the next time they refer to a $30 video game as “cheap”? Seems like foolish and irrelevant behaviour, to me. Somebody’s cheap will always be someone else’s expensive.