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Call it hysteria if you will. I will call it realism. Optimism is a must, I agree. But it should not stop us from searching for ways forward, it should not mak

by myshpa 4y ago

Call it hysteria if you will. I will call it realism. Optimism is a must, I agree. But it should not stop us from searching for ways forward, it should not make us complacent, it should not limit the actions we could take. You want to believe. I get it. I was there myself. But then you'll open your eyes, see that all that progress is just words and smoke and you'll stand on the corner with the sign: "the end is nigh". <https://www.chrismadden.co.uk/cartoon-gallery/the-end-is-nigh-cartoon-2/ https://www.chrismadden.co.uk/cartoon-gallery/the-end-is-nig...> Some links for complementing your viewpoint. Protected areas: <https://www.ecowatch.com/earth-environmental-protection-area-2653038802.html https://www.ecowatch.com/earth-environmental-protection-area...> How Much of Earth Is Currently Protected? - 17% land, 6% sea, "many protected and conserved areas are not demonstrating effectiveness" Fish farming: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_farming#Issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_farming#Issues> Fish farming - issues <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaspiracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaspiracy> Seaspiracy Hardwood: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation#Present-day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation#Present-day> - (... in 2019 ...) a third of that loss, 3.8 million hectares, occurred within humid tropical primary forests, areas of mature rainforest that are especially important for biodiversity and carbon storage. That's the equivalent of losing an area of primary forest the size of a football pitch every six seconds

PostOnce 4y ago
No, I don't support defeatism. The end is nowhere in sight; a struggle, privation perhaps, but that can be overcome, as we have done since time immemorial, and as we will continue to do. There is no alternative. Defeat and death are not an alternative to working harder. It is infinitely better to fail while having tried to overcome than it is to concede defeat, give up, and lay down. The former is noble, and the latter cannot, and should not, be countenanced. Join the fight. I am right now today building machines that grow more food on the same land. It's my day job. We don't have to work on adtech and digital casinos. We can win, we can have fun doing it, and we can be prosperous and happy.
- myshpa 4y ago
  I don't think that working harder will get us out of this mess we're in, it's what got us here. I don't think we have decades to invent new machines (probably spraying poisons in inovative ways), bring them to market at the required scale - there is simply not enough time. You seem like you don't accept that nature is already critically depleted, that biodiversity is severely threatened (or you simply don't see its value), and that we're doing (as a species) too little too late too reluctantly to change the current "business as usual" approach to solving this problem. I accept that I can't change your viewpoint here & now. P.S. being alarmed is not hysteria, an opposite to optimism, or even defeatism.

by myshpa 4y ago

PostOnce 4y ago

No, I don't support defeatism. The end is nowhere in sight; a struggle, privation perhaps, but that can be overcome, as we have done since time immemorial, and as we will continue to do. There is no alternative. Defeat and death are not an alternative to working harder. It is infinitely better to fail while having tried to overcome than it is to concede defeat, give up, and lay down. The former is noble, and the latter cannot, and should not, be countenanced. Join the fight. I am right now today building machines that grow more food on the same land. It's my day job. We don't have to work on adtech and digital casinos. We can win, we can have fun doing it, and we can be prosperous and happy.

myshpa 4y ago
I don't think that working harder will get us out of this mess we're in, it's what got us here. I don't think we have decades to invent new machines (probably spraying poisons in inovative ways), bring them to market at the required scale - there is simply not enough time. You seem like you don't accept that nature is already critically depleted, that biodiversity is severely threatened (or you simply don't see its value), and that we're doing (as a species) too little too late too reluctantly to change the current "business as usual" approach to solving this problem. I accept that I can't change your viewpoint here & now. P.S. being alarmed is not hysteria, an opposite to optimism, or even defeatism.