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I look forward to reading something structured, that we can argue with better than you-say/I-say. > the good parts come from collaboration, happen simultaneous
by rektide 4y ago
I look forward to reading something structured, that we can argue with better than you-say/I-say.
> the good parts come from collaboration, happen simultaneously in different places by different people
Particularly looking to see what arguments back this claim. Again, not interested in spending 25 minutes milking it out of this video. But my apologies for calling it stupid. That was uncalled for & based only on my personal preference of text over video/audio argumentation.
I was pretty polarizing last night. I can think of a number of anecdotes as counter-example to my own claim, where a rough general idea, not anything particularly insightful, was slowly worked by the group into excellence. But I also still think there's a ton of ideas that spring from the mind that change things radically, that reshape the scene, and these are not community wins.
All ideas ultimately must make it through the long gauntlet of development & refinement, which is typically more collective. Although we have counterexamples here too: Jobs, as the Chief "No" officer, with unrelenting tastes where most companies would accept what they'd done.
I guess mostly I think it's a futile attempt to argue one way or the other. It really depends. I think we overrate the likelihood/impact/probability of great men, but on the other hand, I absolutely think some individuals have times & places & roles & really are responsible for vast things. I've seen so many small examples where an individual's push for excellence makes such a significant difference in the world, and to try to argue definitively that only the collective matters seems bunk. I think we have to start by admitting a spectrum, & rejecting absolutes.
- dan-gittik 4y agoUntil there's something more refined, you're welcome to read it here, if you'd like (it's actually quite structured and dense to begin with, but I understand the aversion to video): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j1tWbud0srE8YJHFAqtgdGNkC5-VVBggSlV6lA7CR8s/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j1tWbud0srE8YJHFAqtgdGNk... Would love to hear your thoughts, since it does address a lot of the things you talk about.