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> And, yes, I have lost jobs for not picking up the phone at 10pm on a Saturday night. Freedom isn't free. Luckily you had the safety net to survive that. > I

> And, yes, I have lost jobs for not picking up the phone at 10pm on a Saturday night. Freedom isn't free. Luckily you had the safety net to survive that. > I'm looking out for myself because I've given up on anybody else looking out for me. I advise others to do the same. Why not both? Look out for yourself but also try to help others? I honestly think tech workers for all the big companies will be unionized in the next decade. There is already a perfect model out there: The screen actors guild. That union sets minimum rules around pay, safety, overtime, residuals, and so on, but still allows for "superstars" to make far more. That's the kind of union developers need. One that specifies some minimums that companies must follow (like protecting after hours disconnection and making sure all the workers get a piece of the success) but still allows people to make more and get better benefits.

EddieDante 5y ago
> Luckily you had the safety net to survive that. The only safety net I had was two months' salary saved up. I didn't even get unemployment compensation; by the time the company got nailed for classifying me as a 1099 while treating me as a W-2 I had already found a different job. > I honestly think tech workers for all the big companies will be unionized in the next decade. There is already a perfect model out there: The screen actors guild. That union sets minimum rules around pay, safety, overtime, residuals, and so on, but still allows for "superstars" to make far more. I'd love to see that happen. I'm not counting on it. And I've given up on trying to persuade my coworkers to unionize. If I were at all charismatic or persuasive I wouldn't be working in tech to begin with.
tick_tock_tick 5y ago
> I honestly think tech workers for all the big companies will be unionized in the next decade. 0% to even lets say 50% instead of "all" in 10 years is just not possible. The "valuable" employees (engineers) for these companies don't even want to unionize. You'll have to convince them that somehow it would work out in there favor before you could even start the effort and that would take years alone.
- nicoburns 5y ago
  I can’t see tech workers unionising over salary any time soon, but I can imagine it happening over something like the freedom to work remotely.
- thr0wawayf00 5y ago
  > The "valuable" employees (engineers) for these companies don't even want to unionize. I know many engineers that want to unionize. It's not that hard to convince people once they stop drinking all of the anti-union kool aid that has proliferated in the US over the last several decades. Look at pro athletes that are contracted under a CBA. They get to negotiate profit-sharing, minimum salaries, guaranteed raises, etc. Roughly half of the revenue generated by the NBA is allocated to player wages. Apple generates somewhere around $1.9M per employee[0], with a median salary just shy of $160k. One of the most common criticisms of unionization is that it would cap salaries and people would earn less. If Apple employees were compensated like basketball players, the average salary would be somewhere around $1M. 0: https://www.emergingtechbrew.com/stories/2020/08/12/ranking-revenue-per-employee-fortune-500-tech-companies https://www.emergingtechbrew.com/stories/2020/08/12/ranking-... 1: https://www.comparably.com/companies/apple/salaries https://www.comparably.com/companies/apple/salaries
FpUser 5y ago
>"I honestly think tech workers for all the big companies will be unionized in the next decade." I do respect unions in general and understand their vital role for protecting basic rights. But if I were a valuable software engineer for example there would be no way I would ever join union. Not my nature. Luckily I have my own company and aside of a business negotiations with my clients they can't really step on my rights.

EddieDante 5y ago

> Luckily you had the safety net to survive that. The only safety net I had was two months' salary saved up. I didn't even get unemployment compensation; by the time the company got nailed for classifying me as a 1099 while treating me as a W-2 I had already found a different job. > I honestly think tech workers for all the big companies will be unionized in the next decade. There is already a perfect model out there: The screen actors guild. That union sets minimum rules around pay, safety, overtime, residuals, and so on, but still allows for "superstars" to make far more. I'd love to see that happen. I'm not counting on it. And I've given up on trying to persuade my coworkers to unionize. If I were at all charismatic or persuasive I wouldn't be working in tech to begin with.

tick_tock_tick 5y ago

> I honestly think tech workers for all the big companies will be unionized in the next decade. 0% to even lets say 50% instead of "all" in 10 years is just not possible. The "valuable" employees (engineers) for these companies don't even want to unionize. You'll have to convince them that somehow it would work out in there favor before you could even start the effort and that would take years alone.

nicoburns 5y ago
I can’t see tech workers unionising over salary any time soon, but I can imagine it happening over something like the freedom to work remotely.
thr0wawayf00 5y ago
> The "valuable" employees (engineers) for these companies don't even want to unionize. I know many engineers that want to unionize. It's not that hard to convince people once they stop drinking all of the anti-union kool aid that has proliferated in the US over the last several decades. Look at pro athletes that are contracted under a CBA. They get to negotiate profit-sharing, minimum salaries, guaranteed raises, etc. Roughly half of the revenue generated by the NBA is allocated to player wages. Apple generates somewhere around $1.9M per employee[0], with a median salary just shy of $160k. One of the most common criticisms of unionization is that it would cap salaries and people would earn less. If Apple employees were compensated like basketball players, the average salary would be somewhere around $1M. 0: https://www.emergingtechbrew.com/stories/2020/08/12/ranking-revenue-per-employee-fortune-500-tech-companies https://www.emergingtechbrew.com/stories/2020/08/12/ranking-... 1: https://www.comparably.com/companies/apple/salaries https://www.comparably.com/companies/apple/salaries

FpUser 5y ago

>"I honestly think tech workers for all the big companies will be unionized in the next decade." I do respect unions in general and understand their vital role for protecting basic rights. But if I were a valuable software engineer for example there would be no way I would ever join union. Not my nature. Luckily I have my own company and aside of a business negotiations with my clients they can't really step on my rights.